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So this, I'll transfer it over to Facebook. And like this. Yeah. There we are. And you can actually say hi to the guys on Zoom. Here we have John and David. Hello. If someone else joins. And we have Dino, Michael, Jojo, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, yes. Andoff we go i hope you're gonna hear us well and if not you guys they're saying good morning if not just intersect unmute yourself if you want to interrupt at any point or ask question or contribute something just as usual everyone's free to to do is like a joint joint exploration It's not really a teaching, as Bob often starts the whole meetings, there is nothing to learn here.
There is nothing that anyone can ever teach you, because it is a basic recognition of that which is already and forever. If it was something that was about to start tomorrow or next week or next lifetime, that wouldn't be worthy pursuing because it would be just another experience. So people have ideas about the grand state of enlightenment or ultimate liberation and all that stuff that happens after seven lifetimes. And maybe that's the seventh lifetime right now. And in that happening, everything changes. Perception is different. You are completely debilitated from all the human emotions which society labels as negative so you can experience pleasure but no pain This is impossible.
This is not how it works. The great perfection, the non-conceptual,awareness the natural state the state providing all natural world is already you are already in the natural state you are already present aware of the presence you are fully alive you are conscious and that's really not a small thing that's a miracle That's something that no thing that is absolutely exquisite and beautiful in itself. And it is sought for. People spend decades meditating, doing all sorts of practices to shut down the mind, to stop the thinking, to experience it. And the truth is you cannot not experience it. It is the experiencing itself. Without that baseline of presence awareness, no thought can be experienced.
No mental projection, image of the past or future can ever exist without that awareness of existence, without that aliveness. So it is already here. It is not an experience to be attained or achieved tomorrow or next lifetime or in the middle or during the top. It is to be recognized. It is always about recognizing what is already present. And you want to interrupt me too and elaborate and ask questions, please. But I don't experience it. Okay.Are you sure? No. Yeah, this is really a good point. This is very often a question. I don't experience being the open field of awareness. I experience being contracted, being little, being small, being an entity, being separate, most of all being separate.
So is that really what you experience? Or is it that the sense of aloneness or sense of separation or sense of being localized or sense of being contracted arises in the consciousness? And the truth is, and let's be honest, it is not always there. When you sleep, it is not there. And then when you wake up fresh in the morning, it's not immediately there. It comes with the thinking. It comes with the projector kicking in online and start telling you that you are a person, you are limited, you are contracted, you are in the body somewhere. With that belief system, the confirmation bias and the experience happens just the same way as every belief that is really taken on board to the point of fanaticism becomes the reality.
Like a seven-year-old believes Santa is reality or the tooth fairy. They exist, of course. They have proof. They have evidence. Truly believed to the point that is not questioned is real. And any belief.And this whole collective so-called reality is believed into existence. Like 100 years ago, dominating religion was... Christianity or Islam or whatever the religion was. Today, most dominating religion, which is a collective reality that we all agree upon, is physics maybe or medicine or science at large. But it is still a collective reality. You go to another culture that does not subscribe to this particular belief system. They have different experiences, the experience of spontaneous healings or experiences of walking on water, whatever it is.
It is, the world is projected. And it is projected on that baseline of presence, awareness of pure consciousness. And that is an experience already. That is your own direct experience right now. You cannot deny the fact of your own existence. You are. Now the mind is going to come and tell you what you are. But without the mind defining anything, what can you say about that existence? What can you say that is it located or that it is limited? Can you say without the mind defining boundaries that it has any boundaries? Can you say that it is happening somewhere in the upper body and not outside of the upper body without the concept in the mind?without even an image of the body.
Like if you don't have physical pain in the body anywhere, you need a mental projection or imagination of the body to even realize that you have the body. Without it, in the direct experience, seeing is happening right here, right here. It's that whole field of seeing happening. The mind will come and says, no, no, there are eyes here. And the mind will come and also says, the light is falling on the retina, it's reversed and it's interpreted and it is all those stories of the mind. That in the natural world only humans tell themselves other creatures they are just one with life they of course you know for the navigational purposes the instrument that they are carrying you know like if you've seen them documentary nature documentaries sometimes they show how they film it so the guys are having this huge big lenses cameras so as they walk they walk carefully because the lenses is part of their body this is part of of of the vehicle through which the world is being seen But they're not the lenses.
They're not the eyes either. That is the vehicle through which the world is experienced. That field of presence has this particular vehicle. And this and this and this. And every single form is a vehicle for experiencing, for that consciousness that is underlying.But back to the direct experience, we don't assume that anything or anyone has the same sense of presence, but we know the sense of presence that is here. And it's a sense, it's not even a sense in the sensory meaning, it's not a sense in a way that it has like the temperature or size or shape or color or texture or any of it.
It's not sensory, it's not a perception, it's not... But you can't deny it. There is a sense of existence. There is an existence. There is a presence. And in that presence, there is arising, seeing. The capacity for seeing arises in the beingness. Now, can you separate the capacity for seeing from that field of beingness, from that I am, the sense of I am? In that sense of existence here, the capacity shows up. Now, can you actually separate sense of presence in this capacity of seeing arising? Can you actually separate particular items or maybe your own vessel, your own lenses from that capacity? It makes no sense.
If you delete the seer, the capacity is gone. And if you delete everything that is seen,call it seeing anymore, is actually inseparable, is totally singular. And the same of every aspect of experiencing, the being in that awareness of existence, those capacities for seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, imagining, or you can call it thinking, but it really is creating mental projections, mental images. Can they actually be separated from the capacity for thinking, which is called consciousness? If you delete the thinker, so-called thinker, capacity is gone. If you delete the thoughts, the mental projection, the past, the future, other locations, other places, other people, that which is not happening right here, right now, the thinking is, the capacity makes no sense.
There is none. So they're inseparable. It's just one singular happening. Within that happening of awareness, there is a happening translated as if that whole life essence put through that body-mind machine. The pure potentiality, the pure existence shows up as seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling. This is like a converter. It converts this infinite voltage of the potentiality into a limited channel of seeing and its content, hearing and its content.And in this way, that infinite presence, that omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience, glimpses its own omnipotence and omnipresence and omniscience. It sees the reflection of itself through those capacities of seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, singular capacities. Which no one can deny.
And even if there is some vehicles that are lacking some of the capacities, Bob was 40% of hearing was gone, so he needed amplifiers. My grandmother, she had 60% of hearing loss throughout her life, last five years, completely, 100% gone. That capacity is absent, but other capacities are still present. If you think of birds that can use a sonar or like bats or dolphins, their capacities that this human pattern doesn't have, though he has it. He's a weirdo. There are people who have capacities, developed special capacities through focus of attention, capacities to whatever, healing, do the healing. Or in other cultures, those are taken for granted as part of a collective dream.
But the so-called city powers, that people say, oh, if you are enlightened, you have to have some special power, otherwise we can't.Trust in your enlightenment. And then the enlightened people say, well, don't chase the city powers because you're going to get trapped in the superiority issue again. You're going to get into grandiosity. I'm bigger and better. I can do what you can't do. And everyone has unique capacity. Every vehicle for experiencing has a slightly different perception, different angle of seeing, different conditioning, different preferences, different tastes. Collectively, it is all one experiencing through many, many channels, just like one processor and thousand little cameras around the whole city bringing up the data and then the model of of that city is being processed simultaneously so this this one capacity godliness the god the omnipresence is having a glimpses of itself through infinite amount of channels.
But that is secondary. Primary is this one. What do you know directly? You can get glimpses of other people's life through neurons, mirrors, compassion, and things like that. And that's super satisfying. To get yourself out of that byproduct of large language model installed in this particular machine.which is selfishness, which is self-preservation run riot, because self-preservation of that cat sitting next to Charlie is running perfectly fine. She's made it. She's nearly 10-year-old. And she's absolutely one with life, moving away from danger, towards pleasure, just like everyone else. But in humans, the same self-preservation is on steroids because it's constantly narrated. Oh, this person doesn't like me.
Those think ill of me. Those are going to hurt me. And what if the government will pack up? Or what if the tax office will whatever? Thousand little issues because of that narrating habit and all related to me and suddenly the whole dream become nightmare nightmare of absolute self-centeredness self-obsession and self will run riot crazy my story my children my house my car my problems my health my relationship with money and that becomes overwhelming and then the mental health issues spike to rocket and the substances that try to calm the mind the mind is not a problem feeding the mind that incredible machine that incredible processor with too much fuel and giving it too much processing power naturally it goesIt grows like monster.
It's a hybrid. It becomes, it mutates to the point of being a torturer, being a master instead of being a servant. And a simple trick in any and every situation is to watch the mind, to see how it functions, to be curious about that incredible instrument, to see it. As the one of the capacities one of the ways that infinite power that potentiality expresses itself and you're gonna have free entertainment for life is absolutely incredible is amazing every mind is at times very quiet and at times completely dysregulated and crazy That's its nature. And it is constantly in flux, responding to the environment. Environment may be just like it is for the cat, the seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling.
Or it may be like for humans, mental turmoil and obsession. What others think of me? What's going to happen tomorrow? What's going to happen in five years? Nonetheless, the response is constant. It responds to the stimuli. Now, if the stimuli is the internal turmoil or mental illness, that also can be seen for what it is. If you withdraw the attention from...enough attention from that machine running to the point in which, ah, I didn't think that thought. Wow, look at this obsession running right now. Wow, look at this worry. Amazing. But then, and I had that conversation a couple of days ago with someone who was going through a really, really traumatic event.
And the most traumatic for healthy, mentally healthy people will be to unwillingly hurt someone else. Perhaps because of the outburst of anger or some dysregulated behavior that deep in the heart he feels, yes, this was all so wrong. I don't want to be that. I don't want to be like this anymore. I hate myself. And he's in absolute trauma. And I say, wow, wow, this is so beautiful. He says, what? Isn't it beautiful to experience that profound sense of pain and guilt that you hurt someone? Shit, that's brilliant. That's so healthy. That is so clear expression of loving care. Can't you see that? Oh, well, if you put it this way.
Can you actually celebrate that so-called negative emotion as a profound expression of loving care? You don't ever want to hurt someone. You don't ever want to causepain the woman he dealt with bursting tears and oh god that's like stabbing the heart wonderful seeing every expression every emotion in its right place this is the self-organizing universe if it exhibit that particular reaction It is the consequence of every other interaction in the whole universe, the programming of the machine, the environment, whatever that machine has calculated as the best response, it always does its best, always. If the programming is faulty, of course, that best may be becoming a pedophile.
Well, it happens too. It does. But again, there is an innocence because no one chose that programming. Again, it's the universe, it's the reality. If you were born in a different world, in a different family, you had different experiences. Those programs would be different because they are responses to the environment. They are survival strategies. So seeing the mind in a way that you are actually watching this incredible processor at work and you're marveling at its work without judging it, without, oh, yeah, but I hate myself. Hey, hey, hey, who are you? Are you that consciousness? Are you that witnessing prayer?presence looking at what is arising fear is arising what an obvious sign of love not wanting to be hurt not wanting to die not wanting to be wow how how tender or anger is arising Rebelling against injustice, valuing some beautiful expression of equality or something like that.
Wow, how tender. Looking at it without judging it, without pushing it away, wrestling with it. Whatever arises in the awareness, this is the life. Showing itself to itself, giving itself a gift. Look at this. Look. It doesn't say what's your opinion on it. Mind will answer what's its opinion on it. I like it. I don't like it. Push it away. Good luck. It's too late. It's already here. Arguing with what's already appearing. Is pointless but seeing the resistance of the mind as part of the landscape wow how beautiful that man resisting the fact that he unwillingly of course i don't know that many people i don't know how about you who actually willingly willingly enjoy causing harm even that is probably a strategy to feel empowered if you were broken all your life and then suddenly you feel empowered by itI don't think there is just this complete mindless cruelty in any creature.
But anyway, that's irrelevant because that's thinking again. But anyway, whatever shows up on the screen, if it shows up with the judgment in it, with the resistance to it in it, that's also what's showing up. Every scene. Presently arising is the universe blinking, winking at itself. Look, this now is never going to be the same again. It's never going to show up in the same shape and form. It's only now the time to see it, to appreciate it, to connect with it. And to realize that if the thought says I, it doesn't mean you are the thought. You are prior to that thought which says I.
You are seeing the thought arising. You are seeing it fading away. You are the witnessing of the arising. Isn't it so?If there are any objections, please. Any objections? Yes. No objections, but, you know, like in that arising, anything can appear. And the thought that I'm this and that and the other, or that, you know, that I can walk on water or something, you know, they're all equally, they're all just the same appearance. They're all just appearance of packets of little energy called thoughts. So can one be more valid or one more important, one more true and more real and more correct than the other? They're all just appearances, equal appearances.
You can't look at a tree and say this tree is better than that tree. They're just appearances. And same with thoughts. And I guess the real problem is in some of those thoughts there's an embedded sort of sense of me. You know, like any stream of thoughts has a little story. And in that story is embedded a me, it's my story, or it's her story related to me. So everything seems to have this embedded me, myself and I aspect woven into the content of the thoughts themselves.They're equally unreal or equally real or equally appearing as that. What's your experience in the game? What did she say?
I never listen to her. What kind of sign? Take a mic, Spachani. That's okay. No, no, it's a good question. I hear it. And guys on the phone too. I was interested to hear what Dean has to say with regards to what Kat said about the dynamics of human experience, whether you want to cause somebody suffering or whether you are a professional. I'll just reduce it to that. Yeah. I'm asking you what has your been experience. Yeah, like I can't, there's really nothing I can say. No, no, no, no, in the sense of like a judgment or an opinion or a right or a wrong.
I'm not asking for a judgment. I'm just asking for something. Yeah, yeah, like there's in the appearance, right, in the appearance. I'm getting dizzy, man. In the flow. Forget the appearance. In the flow? Yeah. The flow is appearing. Yeah, well, it is. But anyway, I was interested. That's okay. Yeah. Anybody else got anything to add? No? Yes, Jo, I thought you might. That's why I asked. I was going to say, probably. Not a good look. And I don't know if it relates to what you were trying to ask, Charlie. Because I know what I'm experiencing. Sorry. Well, maybe you should have shared that. You should have shared.
No, I've experienced both. Being hurt. Killing people, being hurt, and very compassionate, and felt guilty about it. Wonderful. And you witnessed all of those experiences because you can speak about it. Absolutely. So it's interesting.Totally. That's it. Take it. You're right. No, you talk. Oh, all right. It was just what you said then, and I like what Dean said too. Nobody means to hurt another person. Yeah. No, no one. So, because I do it all the time. Well, I can honestly say that I wanted to. It exists up here. It's not packed out. Okay, so you're saying... But if you do, or if you're sure, or if you're...
Abrupt with somebody, then yes, I felt what Kat had described earlier. No question. The range, and that's, I was just wanting to swap. That's the one. No, it's with me. No, I'll take it personally. You're perfect. Well, that's what prompted my question. I love it. Did you want to kill someone, Joe? Run over with your bus. Everything Charlie just said, I've done all that. And I've done it this week. I snapped at a client. And it was beautiful when I snapped. You're a knight, aren't you? Sorry? You're a knight, aren't you? Yeah, okay. You've already picked that up. But I snapped at a client.and which was totally inappropriate and but the beauty of all of it was you know within a few seconds I let it go I made my apology who hurt who who was hurt did I feel guilty yeah I kept apologizing for the next two or three days you know and I noticed it and was aware of it and did I mean to and for me I know now that snap was because I went into fear I had a story of something.
So, you know, I had to blame somebody else. And then I was able to say to her, you know, it wasn't your fault. It's actually my fault. It's actually I. And when I own it, I can fix it. If it's somebody else, I can't fix it. But I understand the guilt. And for me, I was always taught that the guilt is just beautiful, that the conscience or subconscious just wants to say, maybe I could have done that better. You know what I mean? You know, I love it. I love the process. I think we hurt constantly. Constantly, either we hurt somebody or they hurt us.
But it's only in the story. Yes, only in the story. It's not reality. But I was listening to what you were saying because you and I had a little chat earlier and I realise now I forgot and I got caught in my story. Just like the fish gets caught on the hook and it's wiggling and it's trying to get out of it but it's like, but I'm caught on the hook, I can't. Oh, if I just open my mouth, the hook will come out. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sort of thing. And I forgot I got hooked. I believe the story. It's only when we do this chatting that I wake up.
It's a sort of go, it's a message.That's not answering your question. No, it is. Because you're talking about your experience. That's my experience. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. I get hurt all the time. And I hurt other people in the way that I approach things. We're all very sensitive, aren't we? The people that we think we are. There you go. There you go. I think we are. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. If we are well socialized, we will have those sensitive neuromirons. We will not only feel our own vulnerabilities and insecurities, but we will also pick it up from other people. And we will be sensitive to other people's sensitivities.
This is the beauty of this particular vessel of experiencing. And it is to be celebrated. I had a couple of weeks ago, I had the event that was absolutely traumatizing and I would burst in tears multiple times during the day. And this was so tender and it was so beautiful. The pain, the heartache that was appearing was totally celebrated as the vulnerability of that human form. But there was no resistance whatsoever. There was no psychological suffering whatsoever. If there is a pain and there is a... Complete full body yes to that pain and it's a curiosity about that pain and it's it is anof beauty and tenderness and love in that pain.
Can you still call it pain? Is that word even appropriate? So it doesn't, when I spoke with that man a couple of days ago, he says, so you don't experience any of it? And I've shared with him the whole story. And he says, wow, wow. And I say, again, feeling your feelings fully, allowing them, experiencing them for what they are. Without the taking credit, taking ownership, regarding yourself as a little person suffering from that feeling, or even more, being it itself. You are the presence. If not for the life force, none of those feelings would be possible. The sadness arises. Wow. Now the joy arises.
Wow. It's like the sky. The seasons are changing. The weather is changing. Every single season has its beauty. Every weather has its beauty and power. And being able to just... From that relaxed space-like presence, appreciate the arising without resisting it, without pushing it away. And even if the resisting or pushing away happens, again, that's part of the landscape. There is always that.spaciousness underneath that does absolutely nothing objects to nothing and it allows the appearance to be just as it is unaltered unmodified uncorrected nothing needs fixing in this way there is also you know like joe you were saying or uh another conversation that sometimes the conversations happen you don't even know how they happen but there is an attitude do you know your next thought charlie you don't no one does this yes absolutely everything flows just like the weather life flows it expresses true I don't know whether I'm going to look to the left or to the right next minute.
I don't know. It is the 10,000 things cooperating together that will make that ice move here or there. Don't know. It's all one huge discovery. It's being childlike, curious, and woo, let me see. Like Bob would say, look what is around the corner, how things will resolve. And that's why this is, there can't be a teaching in this. There is nothing to learn. Everyone already knows that. It's just a sharing of the experience, which may or may not inspire to look at your own experience. That's what it only can be. You know, it's not like I'm speaking with someone and I presume that someone is broken.
I have to fix them because I'm.healthy and they are broken and oh i am the teacher they are students ah yuck that's separation The inspiring sharing, something that is profound, beautiful, very, very simple, very obvious and always here. And it is joy to actually bring it up, bring it forth, the background, which is usually overlooked and taken for granted. Shine the light, right, see? If you were unconscious, if you were in coma, you couldn't have any problem at all. Yes, please. We can arrange it. We can arrange it.But like what you're saying, like, yeah, the actual presence, the actual aliveness, the fact of existence itself, like, is the most fundamental, like, underlying thing in which everything is occurring.
So then when, you know, you look at something, whether someone's inflicted, you know, something malicious on purpose or not, like, it's still occurring within that presence. And you actually don't know how the dream or how the appearance is actually working. No one knows exactly what's going on, but you know that you are and you know that this is and you know that all these different appearances are appearing in a myriad of ways and they're unexplainable, unfathomable, unknowable. They're labelled and described and yet descriptions are put on them and understandings and cause and effect and meaning and yet all those things are appearing in that. Immediate nowness.
So in those descriptions there's an appearance, strung together words which create like time, which create a continuity, like, oh, there was a beginning, then this happened, then this has happened, and then this might happen. All of that is like a string of things, all appearing in absolute immediacy. And in that, you know, there's meanings put to that as well.So that story of before and during and after has also good and bad and relation to me and other. And all of a sudden, in all this, in this immediate nowness of existence itself, If all those stories are believed in or the attention is fixated on those meanings, all of a sudden they become real, they become solid, they're our truth, they're our reality.
And yet, so what is it? There's no solution. The solution is basking in that sense of aliveness in which they all occur. And then, you know, like everything's actually resolved. There is no question. The question, the answer are all part of the same appearance. Like you said before, the seeing and the object, you know, there's no, the seer and the seeing and that which is being seen are all one movement in that appearance. I think you have a question. So we put the judgment on our feelings, on whatever's going on or whatever the story. Then we put the label of a judgment of what that story is or what it looks like.
Mine's chasing mine. And what is that label? In the middle and the end. Yes. It's labelled. Yes, but what is it? That label is also part of the whole scenery as well. Yeah, okay. Okay, that's good. Don't judge the judgment.You can, yeah. You know, it's sort of just don't forget to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look at this whole thing rolling out, thought chasing thought, judgment on top of judgment. Don't forget to laugh. Beautiful. It's like, you know, the thought I think can't actually think. And every thought is describing what it's actually describing is another thought. So, wow, so a judgment is describing, an idea of a judgment is describing another idea of a judgment, and then we can judge that.
But yet they're all, there's not a higher and a lower, they're all just that continual flow of endless. Possibilities and endless. I don't mean to put you on the spot, but it might be answering a little bit of what Carly's saying, but what have you done when you've had feelings? That's hilarious. Yeah. This is good. Thank you. Feelings are like, there's constant feelings coming and going. Yeah. Like absolutely constant feelings. And sometimes there's a movement to like, what is that, you know? But usually it's like, wow, like because there's like a sense of knowing that this is it, this is aliveness and it's an absolute, like, and in a flash it's going to finish.
So if that aliveness is baking inthat feeling, it's like amazing. Like, no matter how ugly and how devastating and how whatever it is, it's like, wow, there's an opportunity to have a human experience in this very moment that's ugly, deep, strong, weak, boring, mundane, like beautiful, magical, creative. All of that. So it sort of doesn't, yeah. Perfect thing. That's what I was asking. Because I had that this morning. I had that in the car. I was bawling my eyes out. And I want to cry when I say that. I don't mean to. I can't. I haven't cried in ages. I just can't let it out.
But it's coming now and I don't know why. I could put a label on it. Enjoy it. We could name it. And I do try to do that in the car. I was like, yeah, okay, this is yummy. But sometimes you want to change it. You want to change it, fix it, rearrange it. You want it to be different. Enjoyed that too. I was watching all of that. Why wouldn't it just accept it or just allow it? Or it wants to be happy like it was yesterday. Why does it have to be this? And now I'm labeling it's not happiness. Well, crying can be happiness too, in a sense, to release.
I don't know. And look, and wanting to be constantly in a state of pleasure. And if there is displeasure or discomfort, not wanting that discomfort, how normal, how natural, how loving is that? Even a desire.For having constant ecstasy. Of course. But seeing that desire for what it is, just another channel, another movie, another advertisement, another sales pitch of the mind engaging, inviting, go for a ride with me. I'll take you for that train of thought, fantasy. Or maybe we're going to manifest it. Or maybe we're going to see that it's already so, and that will be the manifestation. Any channel. Constantly this and this multiverse of entertainment inviting you for a little ride come on this is you know this nothingness the presence the aliveness forget it there's no job for the mind but then these machines we don't remember to do that We get caught in it.
We get caught in the emotion. And what is that we, the presence, the witnessing capacity? That gets caught up you know the processing power the aliveness what gets caught up because the mind is on you know like the tv at home is on and your husband flipping the channels and giving you shits for having so many different channels watched like the same more or less so the mind is doing the same thing now You can see it doing the thing. You can relax enough to see, oh, yeah, okay. So what was I thinking about for the whole morning? In the car, that person, then later on this one.and that then then then then wow how many channels constantly flipping in between you know that crazy rat race of thought chasing thought but hey there is something that knows about it all but it doesn't get enough attention to actually even experience its own existence its own relaxed presence or appreciation for seeing it so how do you release more power more processing more attention more aliveness from this tv to be able to see that it is a tv step back move away you know if you sit with your nose next to the tv shit there's not really that easy but you step back a little bit ah There is actually this present moment.
There is hearing happening presently apart from the TV running here. Oh, there is a body here. Ah, oh, it cracks. Wow. Apart from the TV running. And now as you are grounded, relaxed, oh, it's just a TV. Okay. So now, instead of being completely, completely immersed and swayed and drowned in that story, you see that this is just a story arising. And the relaxed attention, if it's enough of that, It doesn't even waste itself for resisting that.story anymore it just says wow it says nothing is space it doesn't speak but it just uh-huh okay and this is and this is very very freeing because it it happens regardless of whether story is pleasant or painful That's what the freedom is, regardless whether it's a war or peace, whether you're young or old, whether you're rich or poor, whether you get your will or your goal or you don't.
It doesn't matter what is arising in the dream. That freedom to just, ah, okay. That's how it unfolds. Oh, and now that. And it's always the now, and it's always that unique moment, and its content. Seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and imagining. No one can do the moving back. No one can do the relaxed attention. But somehow, like these conversations, this group, this non-duality, maybe even not this, that's not limited to such a rule either. It's not because it's not confined to anything. And yet, like, it's like there's this energy of... 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Oh, okay, that person steps on my tail. So now we humans will make a story, or maybe he hates cats. Well, obviously it's a joke, cats sitting next to you and you don't seem to hate it or step on it. It's just an example. Shut up. I'm going to just include we have we have Jyoti here and we have good morning messages from our zoomers and we have Anand joining us also and Jyoti says good morning and what about politicians who are trying to benefit themselves and their cronies at the expense of the rest of the country or greed of some to benefit themselves at the cost of the climate catastrophes.
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful question. Should they? Yeah. Yeah, beautiful question. You said it. Yeah. Should they? That may happen too. You know, there were many politicians throughout the history shot. That's, you know, that happens too. The thing is, it's a self-organizing universe and the general principle of self-gratification. If you believe you are a separate person, you will want to gratify that separate person. If you believe what your mind is,is telling you that this is who you are and this is what it is to survive, well, you know, inevitably you're going to be gratifying this. If you believe you are the whole nation, well, then you may find the ethical politicians who will benefit the whole nation, perhaps on the expense of other nations.
So now if you believe you are the humanity, maybe you will benefit the whole humanity, perhaps on the expense of other species. See what the identity does. How about questioning any need for holding the identity? How about I am? That I know. What I am, who I am, who gives a shit? There is an existence. If there is no imagined entity there who needs the identity, I'm a person, I'm a woman, I'm Australian, I'm Polish, or I am a part of a female, like four billions of females, and now I'm against men. Or if I'm part of whatever identity always creates the separation. I know that I am, but what I am, I have no idea.
If I'm not human, I won't be siding with humans against other species. If I'm not a woman, I won't be siding with other women against men. If I'm not... If I'm nothing, what can I be against? I can be against everything. If I'meverything what can I be against the thing is without having any specific need for identifying as an object I can be I am the presence the witnessing presence in which whatever arises
is the reflection of that same presence. It arises within me. I am the consciousness. The world is part of me, is inseparable. Why would I want any harm to any element of my world?
But if I believe I'm this body, okay, so now I'm going to be guarding this body. And guess what? Animals don't believe that they are these bodies. And they still get clean. They still feed themselves. The instincts are still running. So that belief that I'm this body, really, from the survival perspective, has marginal benefit. But from the whole world's perspective, if you actually see what that... Capacity to identify what the upper hand the human species got because of that the capacity to identify as human the capacity to identify as a nation or as a person and suddenly being able to join with everyone sharing the same story and build a civilization, create the science, the medicine.
Wow! No animals can do that because they don't have any need to identify and share the story. They still join in the tribes, some of them, depends what the characteristics of particular species.But they don't share the story. As far as we can tell, the processor doesn't have enough processing power. Yeah, go for it. Just in terms of like, bringing it back to the basics, how it's just stuff arising. And there's a range in animals too. Like apparently there was a chimp or gorilla who, you know, made friends with some actor who died. I'm just saying some actor. I don't know who he is, but I've forgotten his name.
And, you know, it had learned so many words and it had met the guy a couple of times. And when it was told that he had died, it cried. So like basically... And what's been observed here is just like a little notions coming up. And if it's spotted early enough, it's just like visually comes up as a little nub. And then it might get worded out or it might not if it gets caught in time. You know, it's not even catching or anything, but either the nub of notion arises and worded out sentences or half a sentence of the process stops halfway through. So these are just, this is just stuff arising and there's the complexity from babies and animals and more advanced animals, you know, more sort of trained animals and more, Yeah, there's the degree to which nubs and sentences arise.
It's still a range and it's still just stuff arising. And so complexity of calling it mind or doing all that.There's still just another wee thing arising. Yeah, so there's no mind, no none of that stuff happening. There's just little nubs and words, basically. And it's really not more complex than that. Yeah. Hi, I've just been travelling solo in Eastern Europe for the last six weeks and not really talking to that many people. As an older person, you're often sort of a bit invisible and it's been quite sort of freeing and pleasant in a way. I thought maybe I'll get a bit lonely, but that didn't really happen.
It was quite easy really just to be in that sense of being present and passing through. And there was a kind of freedom that sort of comes with that. And part of that, I think, is about not relating to other people means that you're not getting constantly defined by other people. I just want to explore that sort of area a little bit because it just seems that, you know, going back to this, Bob used to talk about little Johnny. So from, you know, this high, you know, we're told we're this person, but, you know, it's really through growing up and through life and through relationships with other people that we become defined as this sort of separate kind of individual.
And the power of that is so great that coming back now into Australia and relationships and people I know, whatever, are being defined as this kind of,kind of past and just just interested to explore sort of navigating that how to keep that kind of broader open kind of sense of presence when the whole of society sort of is conspiring to force you into being this kind of individual i'm tony you know i'm 68 years old i i live in mullumbimby you know all those kind of ideas that come in that's kind of define you and feel the tightness around that again how to keep that kind of openness and that sense of freedom i'm just interested on yeah how beautifully put i have something to say please not that you define me as a bad thing in any way i mean but i do question that you think you're being defined.
It's a self-imposed kind of defining, I think. It's a reflecting back, isn't it? Because other people reflect back to you something that you think you are or have expected. I don't know. The whole thing just melds together in a way that kind of creates a thing. But nevertheless, the assumption that you think you're being defined. I would like to challenge that. I mean, in terms of just maybe you are sometimes and maybe you're not as well. That's beautiful. Yeah, that's brilliant. That's absolutely brilliant. See, yeah, look at that. Because, you know, on one hand, even if the...There is a persistent belief, or even if there is a conviction, oh, we have someone joining us here.
Even if there is a conviction, that's what people are projecting on me. I know it for certain, that's a belief. But even with that belief, You can actually step back and see how Tony is going to respond and play along or rebel or whatever is Tony going to do in that particular setting. He believes that other people define him. Is he going to play along or is he going to just put the foot down? I wonder.Yes, a play with it, really. Yeah, just be curious of how this conceptual image of society putting you in your role. Because you're right, and this is easily observable. That's why people love going away, going for vacation.
What happens then? Everything is new. You don't go on autopilot. Your mind doesn't have a processing power to roam over the same things. Because everything is new and it needs to be vigilant. It needs to be more present. You have to watch your step. You don't know you're discovering. You're in that discoverer mode, curious about what's around the corner. And you're forced to do that because nothing is familiar. Now you go back home, everything's familiar. So the mind doesn't need to keep guard, doesn't need to discover anymore. So it starts showing, yes, everybody's thinking of me. Everybody is defining me. They probably don't even... Notice you that much really because they're so preoccupied with their own self-obsession that's that's the sad truth for the majority of the society they all live in their own heads about their own problems their own stories they don't even think of you but even if you believe they do What is that Tony character?
What is that actor, that role going to do? Is it going to rebel? Is it going to play along? Is it going to play along at 10.30 today and 10.45 is going to rebel? Or anything in between?Wow, let me see. Now the curiosity is engaged again. Now you're not discovering a new country. You're discovering your own response to the situation within your own dream that you projected and defined. But what Cheryl was saying was the next level game, even more brilliant. Are you sure? How do you know what they think? Did you ever ask? Maybe if you ask, that will be the first time when they ever think of it.
It's quite amazing, like, you know, the concept or the idea of, like, I have a concept of you, you have a concept of me, and I have a concept of me. Which concept is true? You know, and imagine, like, a world with so many, the population, imagine each perspective or each concept. Which one is the right one? How can it be constructed? And in the end, like, you know, you go to the doctor and there's a doctor and there's a you and you have, and he asks you, you know, what are your symptoms or these are the results of your test. And yes, I've got an ache here and I've got this here.
But that's the way the appearance is playing out. Like you're not that symptom and that doctor is not defined. Everyone's doing, everyone's playing their role, but there's no fixed, there's no solid proof to any of it. There's no absolutely defined.Like I am that in which the consultation is occurring. And it doesn't matter if the focus or the focal point or the attention is fixated on this or that or it moves in or moves out because it's indefinable. Undefinable. Indefinable. Yeah, I was fine that when I went on holiday, I just felt a lot lighter. But I think it's because, like, you know, I had my money.
So that was like a, you know, back home, you need to get money. So that's a trigger and, you know, triggerable pattern that has a triggerable block that causes bother. You know, all the triggers happen, but if you're on holiday, you've got the set money, you don't have to think about that, you know, you just cruise along. And also, because I also felt lighter, like I had my favourite clothes, I only had to wear my favourite clothes. And also, I didn't notice temperature as much. So, you know, I went from like Cuba in early December, where the men are just putting on shirts and the women are just putting on cardis, to Curl, like where it's flipping freezing, but I wasn't feeling it.
I wasn't feeling the changes. I wasn't bothered, you know. So the botherment triggers weren't triggering, you know. The patterns weren't being triggered. The bother wasn't, the discomfort wasn't happening. Yeah, it's just because the particular triggers here are probably more about judgment, you know, in the community.Yeah, it was just freedom also created other physical freedoms and different freedoms, you know. Yeah. I just, I've been sort of thinking about, not thinking, I've been pondering or whatever on the fact that people have ideas about you constantly, one person to the next person to the next, they've all got these layers of these TV screens in front of you of who they think you are.
And, you know, none of them, they're all different. So they can't be correct. They can't be correct because every single... And they're changing too. And they're changing. And it's just constant. It's just constant. And it's sometimes really, I just, I sort of feel like I want to bow out and kind of just snort people around people because of it. But also then the curious to you. It can be just really interesting as well it's like you know there you are and then someone's kind of acting out something with you and you go oh this is this is weird you know okay right you you do that but you know i'm not going to play into that or whatever But it is constant.One person to the next, to the next, to the next.
Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. Take the mic, Charlie. Tony made that point about money because I think money tends to be the currency of definition, maybe. Definition. Here it's more like a bigger mic. Because I'm more like, you know, like five on the Enneagram, you know, survival mode. It's more about just create simplicity when interacting with other people. It avoids people. Money avoids people here. Because I'm not very socially oriented or very, I'm just very one-on-one oriented. So when I'm out and about, I'm not really bothered too much about what other people might be thinking about me at all. I don't know those people. They're not going to impact my income and my survival.
So I think it just, yeah, it really depends what your triggers are as to. And then as the triggers, as the, you know, uncomfortable stuff gets sat with internally and then dissipates and disappears. And then when a scan happens, there's nothing there in a particular area where there was a bunch of reactions. Then sometimes just the whole, I think Michael does this in his work, like what's it like when that is no longer there, one thing that was there, like he goes off to the future, what's it like when that future self doesn't have that, it's not there anymore, that pattern, that set of reactions.
And so even just little things that are leaving me every week, like, you know, when...you know, suddenly just pops up, like, especially in the shower, like, you know, just, wow, there's all that angst about living in this house. What was that about? You know, suddenly feeling of just being at ease and nothing being in that, you know, space. It's like, oh, my God, and all those reactions and restrictions and all that. The way it feels when they're not there my god you know it's just like what are we blessing to have even if that taste lasts a couple of minutes and doesn't show up again for several months when that till that pattern really does dissipate you know after it showing up by following the fear a few more times um because like anger doesn't really most of my life is really hasn't shown up that much or just comfort and sadness used to but then i got some orange congas and kind of that was my best effort to like get rid of sadness but um and it's like i'm too comfortable i love happy sadness yeah i was just too too into sadness and there's just a notion came up that it's not healthy So basically fear was the one, but then when nothing was happening in my life, a year and a half, I'd be like, oh my God, I haven't felt fear for a year.
But because I was just away from life, I was really not doing much, like a hermit. But fear is the most useful thing. Fear is what comes up and then gets followed and then all these patterns dissipate. And it's really, you suspect, oh, maybe it's going to be about finances. Or the health one must be coming up soon, but then something else comes in. And sometimes it wipes out a third thing, you know. And you just don't know what's going to come, of course, because there's been no, you know, I'd be like, oh, my God, I haven't felt fear for a year, you know. But because I was just away from life, I was really not doing much, you know, like a hermit.
But fear is the most useful thing. Fear is what comes up and then gets followed and then all these patterns dissipate. And it's really, you suspect, oh, maybe it's going to be about finances. Or the health one must be coming up soon, but then something else comes in. And sometimes it wipes out a third thing, you know. And you just don't know what's going to come, of course, because there's been no, you know, I'd be like, oh, my God, I haven't felt fear for a year, you know. But because I was just away from life, I was really not doing much, you know, like a hermit.
But fear is the most useful thing. Fear is what comes up and then gets followed and then all these patterns dissipate. And it's really, you suspect, oh, maybe it's going to be about finances. Or the health one must be coming up soon, but then something else comes in. And sometimes it wipes out a third thing, you know. And you just don't know what's going to come, of course, because there's been no, you know, I'd be like, oh, my God, I haven't felt fear for a year, you know.you know, come, you know, the suspicions, but they, you know, it comes here, you know, it doesn't, there's no, it just comes here, you know, there's no search master, you know.
Yeah, yeah, thumbs up. I think we have a comment here from someone who's on Facebook. Martin. Oh, and John has the hand up. I'll just quickly get this one. Animals have just as many delusions. The fact that they run away from their bodies, run away when their bodies are in danger, is a simple proof, an example. That animals have delusions babies also have delusions the same same they do have a sense of self too the fact that they don't get mirrors up to certain point has nothing big nothing to do with their sense of self This is a stupidity myth that is utter garbage and easy to debunk.
Yeah, thank you, Martin, for your opinion. Of course, it's not yours. It's the processor, it's the mind constructing an opinion. You seem to be a little bit triggered. And it probably feels really empowering. Oh, yeah, you bunch of idiots.much wiser, I know better, this is wrong. Maybe if you are in a better space, you may consider that we are talking about different things. Maybe the sense of existence and sense of self are different things. Maybe the sense of existence is inevitably everywhere. Sense of being, being present. The baby obviously is conscious, is present. Animal is also pretty obviously conscious and present. Behavior of animal prove nothing, is instinctual.
Behavior of people also prove nothing, is also instinctual. Sense of existence is not being questioned here. Sense of self and you may consider doing your homework a little bit because as far as we know there is this human brain that hallucinates self existing through time that there is a person that is moving through time and particular part of the brain is responsible for that sense and if you experience a stroke or if there is an electrode put to that part of the processor that sense of self existing through time is basically switched off. And as far as those type of experiments with the biocomputer go, animals don't have that hallucinated sense of self existing in time and creation of the conceptual image about what that self is.
So, but thank you for your opinion nonetheless. You are anyone.It's allowed to have any responses and any reactions, and they're actually beautiful to watch. You can actually really, it's just an invitation. And for anyone else, if there is anyone triggered by particular vocabulary, just to see how that arising trigger comes into the surface. I'm right, they're wrong, they're stupid, I can debunk all of it. Empowering feeling wow amazing if you step back and see that you didn't even think that thought it just came up it just arose or arose arisen in conscious arisen in part i wrote i wrote thank you thank you there you go thank you yeah it's if my if my vocabulary triggers you well enjoy enjoy watching the response it is always yummy and juicy to actually see and this is really a great invitation to anyone to watch the mind and see what causes upset what causes trigger what causes the attention diverting being attracted to something what repels the attention that's a beautiful beginning point of the lifelong adventure of really being curious about that incredible processor what feeling is it going to throw in response to what This is beautiful.
And Sandy says, meant they are my thoughts. Oh, I didn't see Sandy before. And Martin says, you're not idiot.It's just those two things that are silly and too true. Just trying to sharpen you up. Oh, thank you. That's really kind of you, Martin. Thank you very much. I agree with the basic premise of what you talk about. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, we do like precision and we do like correction and definition. I don't know. I find a different thing. Actually, if you really look, I have no idea what has a sense of self, whether baby does or animal does. All I can see is that there's an appearance and it was formulated as a sense of self.
And then that now is part of the whole appearance. So whether something else has, what science says or what other people say, or I can't experience the sense of selfness, I have no actual... Proof of anything except for this, except for this aliveness. And I don't know, all these different discussions on the way this dream, this is a dream, and the way it actually works and that works and this works. And I couldn't have no idea. All I know is that this is, you know, this is the appearance, this is the aliveness. And these are all the different expressions expressing themselves in all theIt's different, the kaleidoscope of colours, the infinite array of rights and wrongs and dynamics and goods and bads and highs and lows.
And there's a great, it's like the movement towards resolving or finding or searching or getting some solution or resolution or conclusion, that's just another appearance. And there isn't any conclusions or resolutions in any way. There is just an absolute aliveness. And it's like a magic show. It's actually magical in another way of describing it too. And yes, and that was totally much, much, much more ultimate answer for anyone. I was just answering Martin with the language that he was using. But what Dean was saying is much more accurate in the more general sense. Because I'm right. Yes. Oh, no, look, there are levels. Levels so the level of the human experience the level of the language or the level of the of the processing machines and that is the ultimate level you're the ultimate level how good does that everyone is the ultimate level but again we can have the conversation and we meet people where they are in the conversation So when we are talking about the basic feelings of thearise that's a different sort of a language and a different conversation and when we go into the ultimate level yes that's true you don't know whether you are awake or whether you are sleeping and dreaming there could be a world in which you are like like when you are dreaming at night You see appearances, trees, animals.
Are they sentient or not? Do they have brains or not? Do they have sense of self or not? When you are dreaming in the moment of that experience, it may be a persistent sense that, yes, this is real. This is happening. I'm really flying. Or they are really monsters chasing me. And everything may prove in that dream to be real and feel real. But that's the nature of the dream. And this dream the same. What do we really know? What do we really know for certain? Do we really know that they are any animals? Well, they appear. I can touch them, but so I can in the dream.
And then I wake up and where are they? Can I touch them? So this is, yeah, and thank you for bringing it up. It's always good to just really get out of any sort of, language constrictions although the beauty of the of that pointing that inspiring sort of a conversations is that we can meet anyone wherever they are if they want to meetThere is really no one there. It's only that one essence meeting itself, dancing with itself, experiencing itself in the reflection of others. So when we look at pointers, we can say, oh, I agree with basic premises. Yes, the baby was born or the consciousness was first and then consciousness created the brain, grew within the womb, and then the baby was born and then the baby got conditioned and then baby
passed the mirror test and then the baby started throwing putting on more costumes more identities and then it ended up believing it is this nationality this religion this culture but what about there is no time there's only this moment now where was the baby born was there a baby born The pointer has its validity and it can resonate and it can put the mind at rest.
But is it an ultimate pointer? Where is that baby? Where is my past? Where is yesterday? Does it even exist? Or is my childhood trauma real? When I don't think about it? Or is it created right now? Or appearing, not even created, appearing right now, all the 50 past years, just right now, when the thought arises, loaded with that world of past experiences. And then again, those are different levels. Bob hated the word levels, but it is really different sort of quality of, you know, like speaking. Thickness of reaction. Yes, maybe. Yes. Yes.Yeah, it's really just even that, it's whatever arises. It's responses, you know, if the energy comes or the dream comes and look into that time-bound sort of pointer of slow programming of the computer.
Well, that's what is reflected. And if the next dream arises in which the whole computer is debunked, anyone experience their own brain? Where is it? Does it even exist in the direct experience in any other way than a thought?And we have another. And John, sorry, you had your hand up before. It's probably lost now. Maybe you can, yeah. Yeah, did you want to respond to someone's comment on the phone? Or do you have a second? No, we want you. I didn't want to. Okay, you're in a flow there. I didn't want to. Yeah, no, I mean, just kind of a continuation of that. And even off of what Martin was saying, or maybe I misunderstood anyways, but a lot of the understanding of there being no self is simply the fact that we, through a false assumption, create the idea of a self located at the center of awareness.
I heard a metaphor recently of it's almost like you're squeezing your fist so tight and you're doing it your whole life that after a period of time those sensations will convince you there's something in your hand. But like upon letting that go and actually investigating, you'll see there was nothing there all along. And that habitual connection, identification with sensation, with thought, just convinces us there's something that's continuing, marking moment to moment through time. And yeah, upon seeing it, we realized there's just this continuum of experience. It's all changing. And there's nothing that stays from moment to moment. But the awareness.of it, but the fact that it's occurring.
And I feel it's important to stress that, like stepping back in that way as well, to see that even when we have problems, to see them as something to be solved is from a limited perspective. Because at the end of the day, what's happening is there's thoughts and they're already complete. They don't need anything else. They're not limited in some way. So I'll find this when I'm, you know, say meditating or trying to work something through. Instead of solving that as a problem or seeing it as a problem that needs to be solved, it's just... Seeing it as thoughts, there's thoughts arising. They're fine. I didn't choose them in the first place and I don't have to do anything with them.
That's almost a level of real true acceptance when we allow them to be as they are without needing to change them into something else. And it comes back to the fact that, you know, everything is just what it is. It's just the conceptual overlay which makes us think we need to do something with it or change it in some way. So just the other day, I, you know, was noticing this with emotions arising. Like, say you're really angry. Well, how do you...know you're angry. You know, like what is it in your body that tells you that you're angry? And you'll come up with some, some say sensations, there'll be some heat, maybe all these things, but is that anger what you're calling anger?
Is it angry? Right? No, it's completely inert. It's just sensation arising. It in itself can't be angry. In the same way a thought can't think, a thought can't perceive, it's just a little blip. It's an object. And when we see that, we recognize that we're in the process of this conceptual overlay on top of reality. The same with if we're upset at someone, you know, there's a projection. And that projection, we also project onto ourself. And we're constantly projecting onto the nature of reality. It just is what it is, and it's completely fine. I don't know if I, it's interesting communicating these thoughts aloud because they're typically just in my head, but it's, I go back to that, that statement that Bob made so clearly that thoughts can't think.
You know, thoughts don't know anything. We know them, right? That is. Everything. It's everything.All of our perception, all of our cognition, none of it knows anything. It's known. Right? But they're still knowing clearly because we're aware. And that's you. That's me. That non-objective condition that there's awareness. That can't be located anywhere. And I think that with using this as a framework, we realize that, you know, nothing is what it is. It's, there's no me, there's no you, there's no good or bad. It's just this unfolding. And that... You know, it seemed from that perspective, it's all just known. And if there's any such thing as you, it's just the fact that it's known.
But it really strips it bare of all meaning.Because meaning is just, is this part of this verbal construct. It doesn't mean anything. It just is. Yeah, okay, that's the end of my rant. Yeah, that was beautiful, John. And I just want to throw it in the air so you know. I had a couple of individual calls in which people were asking and hoping that you will take a challenge and give us a spiel one day. I threw it in the air before. But yeah, I think it would be lovely if you could just consider giving us the introductory spiel because you are speaking with such clarity and so...
So on the ball and so comprehensive and and you articulate it really really nicely and people who were already hearing you speak in the past that was the request oh great i'd love to sometime yeah or just play that back for them that's that's enough they'll see it they'll see it Yeah. Yeah. Just, yeah. Thanks, guys. Thank you. And I'm just going to. No, anytime. Yeah, it's fun. Wonderful. How about next weekend? Sure. Okay, let's do it. Fabulous. Thank you very much. That is fantastic. And I have just a couple of next comments and we're going to wrap it up. See you in this ready already.
And Martin says, yes, there are levels, for instance, dog that goes nuts barking at you.It's difficult to explain to it how ridiculousness what it is doing. So in that sense, it is far more deluded. Levels are a better way to put it. And Gioti says, that's great, John. Thank you. There you go. And Ellen says, this is great. Just what is needed in life. Been crying for weeks. About floods at Isha praying hmm yes I missed the first part tell him to keep talking yeah there you go so so you hear it John's already and Martin says it doesn't mean anything it just is very nice yeah that's that's a that's a beautiful way to wrap it up and end it and thank you guys for hanging out with us and thank you Facebook people and thank you for participating and contributing and everything