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So I start. Well, I was thinking about... What's his name? Stan? Stan, the British gentleman's name? Is he here today or not? Steven. Steven. Steven, yeah. See, he was saying like, you know, you couldn't understand what's going on in the world and, you know, Palestine and, you know, it's stressing him out. And to me, that is the exact problem. That is... The problem you have, we're living, the average person living in duality is living in two worlds. They have the world they construct in their own mind, how they want it to be. And then you have the world just as it is. And so there's going to be conflict there.
Straight away, there's conflict there, and you're not feeling at ease, and you're feeling stressed out, and you're feeling, oh, there's something right or wrong. And what does the Hin Sing Ming say? The Hin Sing Ming says something like, hold an opinion for or against anything. And you're sort of... You're lost. I think, is that what it says? Can anyone who knows the Hin Sing Ming remember what it says? It says...Hold no opinion for or against anything. Hold no opinion for or against anything. And, Steve, say you're a greenie and, you know, you believe in we've got to get rid of fossil fuels and we've got to have wind and solar power.
So every time you see somebody driving a Dodge Ram, You know, you get all butt hurt and triggered and get upset about it. And it's nobody's fault. I mean, the guy who's driving the Dodge Ram, he's all right. He's probably a tradesman. He needs a big ute to drive to work to. But because you've got this belief, oh, he's using too many resources or he's polluting the air, you get all enraged. And, you know, you can see that's going on in the world now. You see a lot of these. Young lefties, Antifa and all that, they're just, they're just, they're like in a state of rage.
You know, they're screaming and yelling and they're just getting so wound up. And I just sort of sit there thinking, well, what did Jesus say? Thousand could fall on the left-hand side ten thousand could fall on the right-hand side none shall come thy dwelling-place in other words and he also said where the world is a light garment in other words you you see the world just as it is now bob said that see bob said leave everything unmudmodified and uncorrected. Just leave it be. See, you can't change anything anyway. See, just concentrate on changing yourself. That's what I always tell people, you know, just change, just concentrate on changing yourself and seeing what is true.
You can't know what's true because you can never know your true self. You can know it, but it's like the only way the mind can do it is by saying what you're not. The only way the mind can do it is to say what you're not. So you're not the body, you're not the mind, et cetera, et cetera. See, how do you reconcile that? See, full stop would be one way, full stop, just forget about it. Or the other way would be... To see what you're doing, is to see that you're holding an opinion, you know, like you say you're a greenie or something, you're holding this belief system, and it's not congruent with the way the world is, with the what is.
So, you know, I don't know. What else I could say about that? I mean, you have to do it yourself. Nobody can do it for you. Because I think at the moment, the way the world is, you've got a whole group of people, like a huge, huge wave of people who want the world to be the way they want it.And they just get enraged and they're out on the streets and yelling and screaming and, you know, even attacking people because, you know, and then you've got the people who don't really know what they're on about, like older people of a different generation. What do you want about, you know what I mean?
What are you getting all enraged and butthurt about? What can you do? So with... This idea of non-duality.You have to see the world just as it is, the what is. I think Krishnamurti used to always use that term, what is, as opposed to the way you want it to be. Because first of all, it's very dualistic to have that, you know, your opinion of the world and the world the way it is. It's a very dualistic way to see the world. And second, you're just going to get yourself in a state of depression. And like, what's his name? The British gentleman was saying he was getting all stressed out about it.
He admitted it. He was getting, oh, yeah, I'm getting all stressed out about what's happening in Palestine. And I'm thinking, well, what the hell? You're not in Palestine. You're in England. You know, why are you getting what's going on over there and bringing it back into your home country and then getting all upset and hurt about it when you can do absolutely nothing about it? You know, you can get it. All right. You could get out and protest. I mean, what the hell that what's that going to do? It's not going to really do anything.So just concentrate on the I am. See, we use the word I am, but what are we really saying?
Are we saying I am? Or are you saying I am being? All right? See, I am being, I think, is the full statement, but we don't use it. We say I am. I am Andrew. The long version of it would be I am being. Currently, I am being Andrew. I am being Andrew. I am being in Thailand. So you take that off. As I've said it here a number of times before, you work backwards. You take it off. You say, well, I am being Andrew. I am being, I am, drop the I am, and what's left? So you don't disappear. You don't fall apart. You're still there.
You're still there, but without the I am Andrew, because when I say I am Andrew, the whole story of Andrew appears with it. The whole, you can't avoid that. As soon as I say I am Andrew, the whole story of Andrew is there. Right? So if I say I am Andrew, drop the Andrew. Get rid of that Andrew guy. I am. Right? What does I am?What's I am registering? I am is just describing the livingness, like I am being. So take away the statement I am and I am being and what's left? You've got just what is, the way things are. The world is just the way it is, unmodified, uncorrected.
And you don't have to like what's going on. I mean, you know, you might, you know, do your little bit to try and change it. But I remember talking to Bob about it and I said, you know, Bob, I said, you know, you look at Jesus and Buddha and all these avatars and great sages that come, did they do any good? And he said, no, well, not really. When you think about it, he goes, I probably saved a few people. But, you know, after they died, you know, people came along and set themselves up as their spokesman type of thing. Well, he said this and he said that and he said that.
They weren't even there when that person was around, when Jesus was around. They weren't there. When Buddha was around, they weren't there. When Krishna was there, they weren't there. So they're just rehashing the past into the way they want it to be or the way they think it is or the way they think it should be. So in the end, that's why I say all scripture, you have to throw it away. You have to get rid of it. You have to be your own scripture.have to be your own proof because your beingness is the proof. You know, your beingness, your being now, right here, right now, your being.
And nobody can take that away from you, you know. Nobody can. Deny that. Nobody can negate that. That beingness that's there all the time. It's there 24-7. And so what happens to us? Instead of seeing the beingness and being one without a second and leaving the world unmodified, uncorrected, we impose. A false paradigm, a thought-based paradigm, a paradigm based on the me and the mind. We put that paradigm of the me and the mind, and because that's thought-based, it seems... Real or you think it's real because you say oh hang on you know you're not what happens then is the beingness the omnipresence moves into the background and that superficially imposed uh story of me is layered over the top like The movie screen, like you can have a movie screen in a theater.
That movie screen might be there for 50, 60 years.It's appeared. I love stories. You've had cowboys. You've had, you know, car chasers. You've had Nazis. You've had every sort of story playing out on the screen, you know. But is the screen... Altered or modified or corrected by anything that's appearing on it no the screen is just there all the time like you're like your beingness like your awareness it's there all the time and then the story plays out on top of it see now the thing is see what i'm talking very dualistically here the story and the appearance that appearing on the awareness but you have to realize it's all the one even the story itself is the is the beingness or the awareness or the intelligence energy just such patterning and shaping and different vibrations and energies like a light show And you are not altered.
The beingness can never be altered, modified, or corrected by what's happening within it, which is what's appearing within it. So you are always free. When you think about it, so you don't, then if you see that, you don't have to go looking for peace. You don't have to go looking for love because they are there when that story subsides, when that story's not there, the story of me.me and the mine and all the bullshit of my life is not there, that's when you get that feeling of, I call it equanimity comes up. You know, some people say it's bliss, but see, when they use the term bliss, I think You know, they're kind of talking about an ecstatic state where I find it's more of an equanimity.
The mind is not swinging like the pendulum in the clock from, you know, black, white, good, bad. You're sitting on top of the pendulum. And you just see all the movements of the mind for what they are, just movements of the mind, because you're not going to stop thinking or you're not going to stop conceptualizing. But you can escape the pain and the suffering that's caused by and the depression that's caused by that by seeing it for what it is. And seeing it can't hurt you. Like you've got a TV or a movie screen and you've got, you know, you're watching ice road truckers, you know, the TV doesn't start to freeze up.
It doesn't start to get ice crystals and stuff on it. You're watching a... The towering inferno, the TV or the screen doesn't catch fire. See, it's because it's just an image. It's just an appearance. And see, that's what Bob always used to say. A phenomenal world. It's aphenomenal world and phenomenal means what appears, that which appears. And the noumenon is what is. So we get caught up in the phenomenon and we don't see the noumenon. And the noumenon is what I call, I call the sovereign state. It's your sovereign state. It's your birthright. It's what comes with your birth, your beingness, your livingness, intelligence, energy, whatever you want to call it.
And everything that's imposed on it in a story is transient, is transient. See, once you see that, you can say, well, you know. Nothing's going to last forever. See, since I knew Bob, since I've known Bob, my father died first, then my brother died, and then my mother died. So I lost every family member. But nothing has changed. And see, that's what helped me sort of. I didn't suffer at all. I can happily let them go because I understand that everything's transient. Everything is...you know, not permanent, like I have tattooed on the back of my head, you know. And it says, Ani Jang Tuk Kang Anata.
And Ani Jang means, Nothing's permanent. And tuk kang means you are bound to suffer. Anatta means the self. So it virtually summarizes everything. When the Thai people see that tattooed on the back of my head, they assume I must have been a monk or something. They're going, oh, how does he know that? How does he know that saying? Because it's not a common saying. They don't go around saying it. But that's what it means. It means you are going to keep suffering in this impermanent world because of the belief in a separate entity. You know? So what you need to do is to be– so the question is, how do you free yourself from that?How do you see, free yourself?
And that is to see it for what it is. The saga data said something the other day where it was. All you have to do is see the unreal as the unreal, and then you'll be left with what's the permanent. Something like, I'm not paraphrasing, is you see what's unreal, and then the only thing that can be left over is what you are. But the mind can never say what that is. The mind can never say what it is. We use words like beingness, livingness, awareness. None of them are it, though. And see, another thing I think is when people talk about, or when Bob talks about no thing, you're ultimately no thing.
See, the mind can't grasp that. The mind can never, ever grasp that because the mind wants to objectify everything. The mind wants to turn everything into an object, into a concept. And of course, it can never do that. It can do that, sorry. You can conceptualize all you want. But once you know it's transient, that's part of the battle too. You see the transient as the transient.of freedom in that. It's just to see whatever's happening in your consciousness, in your awareness, is just the consciousness, the awareness shuffling into patterns for you, like playing a movie for you. And you take on the role as a separate entity is, is, is, is, playing a game.
Oh, and then the other thing I wanted to say is, see, when you think about the past, you're thinking about it now, and you're thinking about the future, you're thinking about it now. And when you try and capture the now, you can't even capture the now, because as soon as you try and explain the now, it's in the past. So you've only ever got present awareness moment by moment. And so when you create that linear paradigm of past, present and future, you take on the paradigm is that you're a separate entity and you're moving through time when it's the other way around. Time is moving through you.
You're the omnipresence and the time, you're omnipresent, not as an individual, as the witnessing. It's omnipresent. Everyone's in the same, everyone's the same. Everyone's got the same omnipresence. I haven't got it, you know, I don't have any special... Ability that way everyone can see that as well and so we get the the illusionthat time, we're an individual and we're moving through time from a past to the present to a future. When, if you see that the past is not, the past is dead and gone for a start, and the future is being made by what's going on moment by moment in the present, you're then going to see that you are the omnipresence.
And time or the world is moving through you. You're not moving through time. Time is moving through you. Now, a question I ask everyone, I've got various different answers to this too. I always say when I think about the past, it's on the left-hand side. I don't know if that's because I'm left-handed and left-footed. I don't know. I see the past on the left-hand side. The present's right in front of me now, and then the future is always on the right-hand side. Now, I've asked other people and they say, oh, no, they see the future, the past behind them as kind of like behind them and the future is in front of them.
And I thought, oh, well, that's interesting. Well, that sort of shows you that it's sort of an illusion. My illusion is different from your illusion. And with that,With that illusion of time, You have to... Apply the idea that you're a separate entity, you're a separate entity, where in actual reality there are no others, there is no such thing as an individual. When you see that you're the omnipresence, you've got to think, well, everyone else is that omnipresence. So there's no such thing as an individual. So that can be, oh, wow, there's no such thing as a separate. Well, there is the appearance of everybody as a separate entity, as a separate individual.
But in essence, no, there's only one. And it's unfortunately that everybody gets caught up in the paradigm of the me and the mine and my possessions and you're separate, that you're separate from them. They can, you know, they can see you as an enemy, you know. Oh, you don't believe what I believe in, you know. You know, I'm a Muslim, I'm Islam. And so it says in our book that, you know, if you're an infidel, we've got to sort of convert you. If you can't convert you, we're going to put you to the sword. And so you can see how all these... Things have happened in it.It becomes self-evident then that that person never had a chance.
That person was pure awareness when he was born, and then his parents and his culture were imposed on him. And as he's grown up, you know, it becomes so concretized that if you talk to them about something like we're talking about, they will think you're insane. They'll think you're mad. You're the crazy one, you know. That's why another thing Bob said to me, he said, because I said, oh, you know, occasionally I talk to people. About this but you can see the blinds coming down they're not interested and bob bob used the term he said uh i think it's a biblical term as well he said do not throw your do not what is it that do not throw your pearls don't throw your pearls swineYeah, right.
Yeah, yeah. Don't throw your pearls to swine. In other words, you know, you said sort of have a bit, use your own intelligence to see who's going to sort of not accept or agree with you, but see someone who's open to what you're saying. Don't throw your pearls before the swine. In other words, don't just go out sort of preaching. People will think you're a frigging idiot. Because even the Saga data didn't do that. What's his name? Adam West? No, that's Batman. That's Batman, Adam West. I can't think of his name. He lives in Sydney. He was telling me a funny story. He was telling me that he went with Nisaga Dada.
To a function and Nisaga Data got up and he spoke to the crowd and Mark West, sorry, and then as they were coming, as they were driving back to where Nisaga Data lived, Mark West sort of said to Nisaga Data, he says, oh, you know, what did you tell them? Did you give them a spiel, you know, did you give them the non-duality? And Nisaga Data turned to Mark West and said, what do you think, I am an idiot? He said, they would have flinched me. He said, I told them to be a good father and a good mother and love their God and all that.
He said, if I told them that their God was nothing more real than a bar of soap, he goes, they would have flinched me. And so even he didn't.go around talking to people about it. See, he waited for people to come to him, you know? And I think that's what you've got to do with this. I don't, you know, people say, oh, this is a radical teaching. To me, I don't think it's radical at all. I don't see it being a radical teaching. I see, I think if you go through it, as Bob explains it, step by step, you know, you will see. See, one of the first questions I asked Bob when I met him, I said, look, I don't, look, Bob, I don't believe in free will.
You know, I said, I can't see it. Bob said, well, if you believe in free will,
explain to me who has the free will. And I said, well, I said, the only answer I could give you is me. And what's me? Me is just a collection of thoughts, you know. Me is just an amalgamation of everything I've learned from a young child to now, you know, my education, my culture. And he said, exactly. He said, that is the false paradigm. Right? That's the false paradigm. And you know it. You innately have known it all your life because... When you were young, you saw yourself, you had a little body, you know, you had a little body.
And then you became a teenager, you started growing hair and funny places and you were still there witnessing it. And then when you were a young adult, you know, and, and, and. And Bob would always say, which of those bodies were you? You know, the young adult, were you the child? Which one of those bodies is you? The young adult, the child, the teenager, which body is you? And of course, you would say, well, none of them, none of them are me. I was just there. I was the omnipresence witnessing all that, you know. And of course, he'd say, well, that's correct. And of course.It's identification with the body.
If you just see the body as your vehicle, as something your omnipresence is sort of animating in the present moment, you are... you're not going to be bound and you're not going to suffer with the thoughts because you can see that the thoughts are all transient. I mean, I've had some very, very dark moments in my life, like everyone else, like everyone else, like dark depressions and getting upset about things. Of course, now it's like none shall come thy dwelling place. It's like Jesus said, you're not bothered by anything, you know. It's not that you're bothered by anything. You still get bothered by things, except that you don't take them to heart.
You don't go on and on about it. You can let them go. You can let things go. You can let people go when they die. You can let people go. And I'll tell another quick story of somebody who was very entrapped. I felt very sorry for this guy. He was a Greek guy. He lived not far from me. In Mentone and his daughter got murdered down at the Faulkner Cemetery. She got stabbed to death by this lunatic, you know. And this guy,You know, he had taken on the role of a professional victim. I used to see court cases and they'd have the victims of crime group there and he was always there.
It was like he had this dark cloud over him. Not that I'm saying it would be easy to get over the murder of your daughter. It really would be something very hard to get over. But like, you know, this is going. Probably 10 years later and he's still i see him down the shops and he'd have like this black cloud around him and even my mum my old mother said to me she said geez that guy's got to let it go he has got to let it go he's just killing himself with with with with stress and worry you know, you're not going to bring your daughter back, are you?
You know, I take the attitude that the people who have died, they're kind of the lucky people. They're free, you know, they're free of this thrall that we live in because at the moment, you know, the way the world's going, you know, if it gets any worse, I'll be happy to get the hell out of here. That's why I fled to Thailand, you know, because... I was becoming Orwellian at the moment, you know. And that is all belief systems. That is, when you look at the way, you know, people have got this idea, like people who work in the councils and the government, they've got this idea that everything has to be changed.
You know what I mean? Oh, what's wrong with last year's tax form? Oh, no, we've got to change it. Why? It worked all right last year, didn't it? Why don't you have to say?10,000 this year. Oh, no, we've got to change. They're always chopping and changing things. And that alone keeps people stressed out, you know. Like I get stressed out sometimes when I go to the supermarket and I've just remembered where everything is and they go and change everything. They move the biscuits and they move everything. And you think, hang on a minute, I just learnt where everything was and you change everything around. What are you trying to fuck me around for, you know?
And so that is, I don't get bothered by anything like that anymore. I just accept it. I just accept it. You know, it's just the way it is, just the way is, the what is, you know, and that's all you can do. That's all anyone can ever do. Wear the world as a light garment, you know. And walk through the world knowing that 1,000 can fall on your left-hand side and 10,000 can fall on your right-hand side and none will come into your dwelling place. And what that means is in pure awareness, nothing really matters. Everything's resolved in the unborn Buddha mind, as someone said years ago.
And that is very true. Everything is resolved in the unborn Buddha mind. So if you're having a stressful day or you're getting depressed or you're getting upset, Just think about that. Just think, oh, well, in the unborn Buddha mind, what relevance has this got? Or in my awareness or in my intelligence energy, what relevance has this got? It's just a passing moment. It's like the sky is empty.space and the clouds come over and cover that empty space and you think the sun's gone and it's pissing rain and it's dark and it's gray and then you everyone's had this experience of getting on a plane and you fly up and you get over the top of the clouds and it's as clear as a bell you know it's just beautiful blue sky and you look look out the window and you see all the clouds below and you think oh geez you know all these people are down there getting pissed rained on and you know and you start to see that it's all just uh uh uh what would i say it's just a kaleidoscope of of appearances of a phenomena, phenomenal.
It's a phenomenal world, as Bob used to say. And the noumenon is opposite the phenomenon. And you are the noumenon. So don't take the phenomenon too seriously because you are the noumenon and nothing can hurt or hurt. Hurt you when you're in pure awareness nothing can hurt you the wind can't dry you the fire can't burn you the sword can't catch you and the earth can't cover you and then bob came up with another one the mind cannot conceptualize you you know so he added another one on which i thought was just brilliant you know and the mind cannot conceptualize you And so when you see that,you can find that state of equanimity I'm talking about and you're not bothered by it anyway.
You're not bothered by it. You just leave everything be as it is, as it is. And if you're... Motivated to change something, do it, you know, because, you know, that's obviously what you're meant to do. It's obviously your part of the dream. Your part of the dream is to get up and do something about it. And don't worry about that either. Don't worry about that either. Just see it as just, oh, well, you know, something that's going on. And then... You're okay. You're okay with it. You're not constantly second-guessing yourself. Like Stephen was saying the other day, oh, you know, the war on Palestine is stressing me out, you know.
Why? You're not there. You know what I mean? You just see images. Now, who's to say if the Palestinians had the upper hand and they had all the weapons, they'd be treating the Jews any better? We don't know. We don't know. I'll leave it at that. I think I'm, oh, geez, I've gone for about half an hour already. Sorry about that. I just get off my own little world. So I'll leave it at that. Sorry. Don't say sorry. That was gold. We loved it. That was awesome. It was so good. Thank you so much for that. It was so wonderful.So beautiful, so clear, so fun, so practical.
Well, I don't know what's going to come up. So you put me on the spot and sort of I just got to sort of wing it, you know what I mean? And just sort of, well, well. And the funny thing is, the really great thing about this is I said to Bob, I said, you know, the funny thing about this, I said, Bob, you never get tired. You know, you're on the fucking email to people. You're on the Skype. You never get tired. And I said, it's funny. I said, every time I start talking about non-duality, once I start going, I just get empowered. I just feel really empowered just by talking about it, by talking about your natural state.
I feel really empowered. And Bob says, he says, that's right. He says, I'm the same. He says, I could talk for hours. I could talk forever about this. You know what I mean? He says it's very different from talking about a mundane subject. And I've always found that to be true. Once I start talking about it, I feel power come up, you know. It's like that omnipresence is there to sort of guide you. As someone said the other day, you know, like that omnipresence, it talks to you. It talks to me all the time. I'll be sitting there. And I'll be in a blank sort of a state, then all of a sudden something really profound will come up, something I'd never have thought about.
It just comes. Oh, right, you know. And you just look at it and think, wow, that's amazing.Where the fuck does that come from? You know what I mean? It just comes from that pure awareness. It comes from that omnipresence, omniscience. And why wouldn't it? Because if it's omniscient, if it's omniscient and omnipresent, it knows everything. So it's going to reveal it to you. You know, you just got to get yourself out of the way. Get yourself out of the way and then let that omnipresence do its job and omnipotence and omnipotence. Let it all do its, let us do its job.Beautiful. That's it. Oh, my God.
Oh, wow. So we have comments here. Wes says, that was the best spiel I've ever heard. Thanks. And George says, amazing, Andrew. Love it. And Jenny says, always such a treat to hear you speak, Andrew. Absolutely. We're going to get you on the spot more often. It's such a treat. Well, I'll tell you something, you know, and the funny thing about it is 10 minutes will go by now and I'll be thinking, what the hell did I say? Did I make a dickhead of myself? See, that's the mind. The mind comes in and says, And she says, oh, are you sure you said the right thing?
You could have upset somebody, you know? You know, you've said, you know, whatever, you said the same thing you said about Muslims. Maybe there's a Muslim there, you know what I mean? That's what the mind wants to do. But I just say, no, I'm not buying into your bullshit. Fuck off, you know?I'm back to omnipresence. That's it. That's it. This regards the chatter. It's not you and it's not yours. It's just the automatic function. Who cares? Yvonne, would you like to come in? Yes, I enjoyed Sir Andrew a lot, very beautiful. And so this is it, this, this, this is it. At any moment, I think exactly what Numenon or God or how you call it, or that wants me to think, let alone do.
It's always noumenon or dead. It's never otherwise. So God, noumenon, created the programming, the genes, and the conditioning, and the thinking, and the doing. And at any time, whatever I think, good or evil, It's exactly what Numenon or God wants me to think or do. Even if I have to kill someone, I wouldn't suppose to do that. But there are people who do that and they are also in line with Numenon or God or the cosmic law or whatever. And even driving a Dodge or whatever. You can never judge someone.It's all dead. It's never otherwise. So you cannot ever be against God's will. Includes the consequences.
It's all dead. And so you can say, is there no morality? And yeah, morality is something that we think and what is made up by humans. And that's another story. That's not what we are talking about here. So, yeah. I am just like God created me, I can say. That's another, the cause of miracles says that line, but it's literally that not only as a noumenon, but also as the person, I am exactly how God created me.That's what came up when I heard Andrew. Spot on, Yvonne. As usually. And we have a comment here from Jenny when Andrew was saying that the mind is checking and verifying whether I said something wrong.
Jenny says, then you call me and I will remind you that you are not a dickhead. Yes, this is the difference. And this was such a beautiful illustration of, you know, how that automatic function of narrative, that constructed reality that Andrew initially introduced, that, you know, there is the world of this immediacy and there is the world, the personalized world of the imagination of if I am a green, that's my world. And then, you know, if I believe in something or the other, the reality gets covered up with the blanket of that belief, the consequences of that belief. And it seems like it is like there is an I now and that I lives in two worlds and that I is torn apart and suffer.
There is no one there. No one. What you are. And I like how Andrew also put that little cherry on the cake later on. You know, the sword can cut it, the fire can't burn it and Bob added and the mind can't conceptualize it. That is it. That's the final blast. You know, if you see that.mind coming up in the picture and trying to grasp it and trying to conceptualize it, trying to fix it, alter, modify it. Well, you know, you are the phenomenon witnessing the phenomenon. You are witnessing the program of trying, the program of altering. Differentiating finding the fine difference fine line i had a i had an individual call this morning with a beautiful man from the other side of the world who was actually asking me about that difference uh you know bob said uh that it is not that we are aware of everything He said, we are everything.
That is a fine difference. Absolutely. But for who? For the mind because the moment you embody the pointer whether the pointer will say you are the awareness you are the knowing the omni omniscience and within that knowing everything arises so you are the knowing of everything arising Or you embody the pointer, you are everything that arising. What is the difference between knowing of arising and being the arising? There is none. In the direct experience of embodying the pointer, there is none.The difference is only in the words, in the mind, in the pointing. And Andrew illustrated it beautifully too. And he said, you know, when I'm talking, I'm talking dualistically.
Well, how else could you ever talk? Language is dualistic, but by its very nature, we call it symbolic language. Language that creates symbols for objects, for phenomena. And I see there's only comment on the two comments coming up. Westside, presence, experience, aware, sorry, presence, existence, awareness, all wrapped into one. Exactly. Yeah, beautiful. Sat Chit Ananda. Being, knowing, and being aware of the, yeah, of bliss of being, whichever way, all the trinities coming out through the history. All the way of pointing different aspects of that which has no aspects. The aspects are only embodied in that self-awareness. You know, the space has no aspects, but as it dreams itself the vehicle, as it dreams itself the mind through which it can interpret whatever is being seen, heard, seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, straight away there is an aspect of existence.
There is awareness of existence. There is an aspect of knowing that awareness of existence, that existence can't be denied.this experience it is known and there is joy always life wants to preserve itself there's always running away from pain and danger so those aspects in that expression of of that pure potentiality that life is they are not three things the three aspects of one of that oneness and then the mind comes and start differentiating but you know what's the difference between this and that The difference is only in the mind. Who wants to know? The focusing on the difference, the looking for the fine distinction, is a beautiful, beautiful function of that navigational aid.
It's amazing and it is to be appreciated. As much as it can because obviously that is up to life also just as it is up to life what Yvonne was highlighting you know the the poor guy with the youth or running a dodge or polluting the air or the poor poor Greek four who couldn't drop Couldn't drop. I mean, it's not funny. It's terrible. Let's face it. You know, the real guy lost his child. That's tragic. That's a tragedy. But he couldn't even choose to let it go. Nothing can be chose because there is no choice maker. There's no chooser. If life wants to experience itself through one ofIt's a multitude of vehicles of experiencing and expression as the misery, as the drama, as the suffering.
Well, there is no one who can do anything about it. And it can and it does. Because in that infinite field of potentiality, everything that is possible is being experienced and expressed. And why not? And it is being acknowledged and it's being enjoyed, it's being appreciated. And the space. For that phenomena because all of it is just a passing phenomena it's just a dream it's just a flickering light space, that awareness in which it happens, is completely free and untouched.And that is what you are, what Andrew also brought up, you know, that non-conceptual, can't be grasped. Can't be contrived, can't be burnt, can't be drawn.
And as you go back, I like that metaphor Andrew uses, you go back from the statement, I am this, that, and the other. Then you take this, that, and the other. Then you take out the I am. And what's wrong with right now if you don't think about it? In that thought. There was another bit of the conversation I had in the morning with the mind. It doesn't matter whose mind. I heard it a few times from different people and I can confirm it in my own observation, although I didn't check every mind in the world. But those that I did, the suicidal ideation is one of the softwares, even just as a fantasy, even just as a plausible thought.
Oh, this idiot, how terrible he was. How could he say it? You know, I wish he cries on my funeral and feels guilty for what he did. You know, even as a silly fantasy, every mind in its nature has that possibility of being suicidal. And what is that? What is that escape valve of trying to, you know,Medicate suffering or blackmail that suffering of the world is the last attempt of control. Last attempt of preserving the illusion of separation and control. Of course I'm in charge. I can kill myself. Well, really. Of course I'm in charge. I can keep going. I am separate. I am the body.
I have free will. I can think thoughts. Well, really. So sad. Yeah, I'm good. It was just brilliant. Gosh, you're on fire tonight. Nobody does it. Suicide happens, Ivan says. Nobody does it. That's exactly right. Nobody can stop it or start it because there's nobody there. It's just life. Flowing through the conditioned machine. If the machine is designed to produce the sound of a piano, life will sound like a piano. If the conditioned machine is designed to sound like a magpie or fish, life will sound as a magpie or fish. Or if it's a drama queen, that's exactly how that instrument, the music, the instrument is going to produce.
But the life that is blowing the air in that instrument, the flute of pulling the string of that instrument, that life in itself.It's neither the fish nor the victim nor the piano. The life is just the pure energy, just like the pure energy expressing through the computer as the pictures, images, sounds, voices expressed through the vacuum cleaner as a horrible noise and a suction. Or a washing machine with the berries have gone. Oh, yeah. It's shaking. Private joke. Yep. Or as the machine responding to it with dysregulation and upset. So the life, the energy in itself is unconditioned, is pure. I remember on some of the spiels that I initially heard from Bob when I first started showing
up on the meetings he would say oh they call it god i don't like that word and then they call it uh because of the associations with it and then they call it awareness well i don't like that call that word either i like to call it intelligence energy but that's not it either no No word, no label is it.
Every word, every label, every sound, every sight, every smell is an expression of that energy. None of it is the energy in its pure form. It's like one of the books of Bob's teachings. One essence, experiencing, appearing, experiencing and expressing as everything. One essence, one in essence, appearing as the multitude of facets, colors, shapes, forms, shades. Infinity, zero becoming infinity, pure potentiality appearing as the 10,000 things. Not 10,000, but that's the Zen saying, the metaphor. And that, that pure essence. It's your essential nature. That is who you are. And if you don't think about it, you know it directly. You know that you are.The concept that, oh, I am some vague essence floating somewhere.
No, no. Knowing that you are. Without the word spoken, without that cage of concepts, that construct that I am a person, I am a female person, I am whatever a person, human being, without all those third-hand information, you are and you can't deny it. That's clear. That's obvious. You can't stop it. And that's the final truth, the existence, I am. That's it. The expression I am is already too far away in the forest. But that which causes that expression I am, that is the mystery, that's the miraculousness, that's the radiance of existence.That's your essential nature. And then the mind comes and contrives it, puts it in a cage of concepts, adorns it, adorns it in ideas.
And I am a person, I'm limited, I am here in this country. I was born with that parents. I learned these languages and I had these traumas and that's my future. blah, blah, blah. And that story can only be here because of that existence, because of that presence of consciousness, because of that radiant, ungraspable certainty of existence. And just this and nothing else. There is nothing else that ever needs to be grasped. The constructed reality that Andrew was pointing out, the reality of beliefs, the investment in ideas, political affiliations. That one is only there for the fun of it, for the joy of it, because you are.And what's there to grasp?
Where to take it? You are full stop. And now in that existence, enjoy the show, enjoy the ride, enjoy the mind threatening with suicide. I'll kill myself if I don't win the lottery. Oh, I killed myself if that person leaves me. Or that person threatens to kill herself if I don't give her more money. Wow. Wow. What a show. But this show, this image, this drama, this content is secondary. If it is put in the right context, if it is not taken on board, if it is watched in the same way you watch any show, realizing that, and again, Andrew has pointed it out, you know, if there is an inferno on the screen, the screen is not going to be burnt.How lovely, how freeing to realize that that which you are, that space-like, pure potentiality, that consciousness, which knows its own existence only through dreaming itself, that costume, that mask, that vehicle.
But which is not that vehicle, at least not exclusively. It is its car, its house, as a metaphor, because there is nothing that is not it. So to say that, oh, I'm not this body. Well, you know, I'm nothing. I'm not this body. I'm not that body. I'm not anybody. But at the same time, as that nothing, the no thing, the pure potentiality, I turn into the whole appearance, all of it, the whole world appearing within that which I am. It's like the multitude of forms appearing on the screen as you are watching the screen. Coming from that one essence, one energy, through the computer that is programmed to display all those forms.
But the essence is always one. And that essence is what you are when you stop thinking for a moment. And once this... Is really, really embodied.There's no problem with thinking. There's no problem with that screen being covered in incredible entertainment, changing constantly. But now it's not personal. Now this doesn't, like how Andrew said it, it doesn't sting or it doesn't... You know, even if the attention goes to the mind for a little bit and dwells there, That which you are, the space-like presence, the witnessing, isn't really touched. Even if that costume gets torn apart, even if that costume, like Yvonne says, does, in fact, swallow a pill, suicide happens.
Nobody does it.Space is untouched again. It's free. That freedom, the shortcut to it is what's wrong with right now if I don't think about it. Well, okay. Anytime. You can check it anytime. Always works. Jenny, would you like to come in? Yes, hang on, let me take the hand down. Here we go. Yeah, I really love the way Andrew just started with, you know, his little example of what duality is. That it is everything just being, the world just being exactly as it is. And then this little entity, this me, this whatever, wanting it to be different. And in a sense,if we can just somehow become aware of or see that, you know, just notice that.
But every time there is some kind of discomfort perceived, It is most of the time not agreeing with the is-ness of what's appearing.And it is when we don't agree with the is-ness of what's appearing that the mind chapter starts. But if we don't agree with it, I mean, like Andrew also brought up at the end of his spiel, When the aftermath of having done something can be, oh, did I fuck up? Did I, should I have done something differently? Should I have blah, blah, blah? Those thoughts are not a problem. It first becomes a problem if they stick, if they glue on to, if they leech on.
And whoever, where the thoughts are appearing, begins to believe that these thoughts are telling some kind of truth.It's, oh, I mean, it's... It's one thing being able to be wise when nothing rattles the cage. But the challenge to me is when something rattles the cage. It's like Andrew said about Nisargadatta, that he wouldn't speak to people that were not susceptible, that would have thrown him out if he had started to share his beliefs.So even he had to, or chose to hold his tongue at times just to, for the sake of peace. I find that really challenging sometimes. You know, to keep my mouth shut for the sake of peace.
And the interesting thing is that in most situations, it's totally fine. Nothing, it actually doesn't stir up so much dust, except from in the relationship to my children and my partner. Is that why so many sages don't have kids? That's why I like Nisargadatta. At least he had kids. Holy cow. At least he had kids, you know. Nothing against those who don't have kids, but that to me may make... Makes me even more prone to really resonate with his teachings, you know. And even if I know Bob didn't have kids, he had enough kids, he had a lot of kids. I mean, he had not just his stepchildren, but he had zillions of kids or everybody else.
And so is it, of course, for many. But there is something, it really starts toprocess of mind fucking when you are related somehow. It must be in our, in this humanness and yeah, I find that piece the hardest Mount Everest, you know, in those situations who really to allow the is-ness of is-ness just to be and not to want things to be any different, you know? So I understand the man that Andrew spoke about, the one who had a hard time dropping the mourning of his daughter. And on the other hand, I don't understand it because if somebody's gone, there's really not much you can do about it anyhow.
So then it's much easier to drop it. I mean, let's face it, you can't mend that. A relationship where one person is gone and what's done is done, you know, in this human, in the realm of forms. In the appearance, in the illusion.And that's where I feel that there's this little stick in the wheel where I feel that I get tripped up. And of course, I smile because I realize that I get tripped up. Is when there is this belief that there is something that I should do so that things would be different. You know, and I'd really like anybody, I like your cat, if you can just dive into or Andrew into the reservoir of your own and Bob's words, just in regards to that, when we still think that there is something that we could, could, should do, you know, even though we know there's nobody here who actually is here.
That's the conundrum, you know. So that's where I'm at today. Yeah, Yvonne says, rattles the cage, it hits the fan. Also, without kids, Jenny. And, ah, believe me, Bob's stepchildren, don't get me started. It wasn't an easy ride. But I kind of feel what you're heading at. It is usually people who know you intimately and for a long time, they hold the image of you that is so tight than actually being faced with that image.If your body is conditioned naturally to rebel, there's no way you could avoid the conflict with the image. Actually, we had a really fun time with Tanya last few days, just marveling at discovering the response of this alien instrument.
Which is not who I am, but it is already conditioned in a way which environment creates situations which I would not have a clue how it is going to respond. It may get fiery or it may start crying. Who knows what it is going to do? And definitely is going to somehow object to being conceptualized as something that doesn't fit. And that is usually the case with people who are the closest. You know, like Bob often says, you know, you come into this room. And you hold the concept about everyone and everyone holds the concept about you and you also hold the concept about yourself which concept is rightAnd then I remember asking him, so don't you have concepts about other people and about yourself?
And he would say, well, concepts arise, of course, they arise. But are they really mine? You know that? You might have subtle concept. The concept is arising about your children, how they should see you, how they shouldn't be seeing you. Are they really yours? And again, people with the preconditioned strategy to avoid conflict or to get along will not. Respond in the same way that people or body minds that are preconditions to fight back and which one in which situation will be the mind strategy exercised in that body mind called jenny let me see Let me find out. Interesting. Let me be curious about it.
You know, the situation pushes the button and the body-mind jumps. Oh, wow. Fascinating. Personal? No. It may be the feeling of that being personal may be arising in the whole landscape of the arising forms. The sense of, oh shit, this is personal. I'm trapped. This is me. I'm the body of mine.Shit, I lost. Oh, ouch. But that's just the passing weather. Which will be gone in a minute. Or not. You know, I really hate, no, or no, yeah, but I really, I really hear you. And I guess it's exactly how I started my share, that there's really just one thing that is a so-called problem that isn't a problem.
It is... I see that there's a part of me that is tired, that is fed up with whatever is repeating itself and blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah. Again, the is-ness of is-ness, there is this subtle resistance to the is-ness of is-ness, wanting it to be different. And I guess again there it's like peeling that onion that doesn't exist. Because if I get sad and I have sadness coming up, then I just cry. I mean, that's not a problem. I just cry. Oh, sadness. Or I have thoughts. Oh, so.I, I, what I really, what struck me when, when you spoke, it is these images that we produce.
And I guess therefore, when we are in a surrounding where we speak another language, another common language, where we begin to look at the illusions and the... The false images we throw around and the beliefs and then it's easier then those triggers it's like you i have shared so many times how you and and bob could crack up you know and laugh if somebody's only got i mean anybody could get hangry for instance you know get really pissy mood due to low blood sugar or whatever you know when this apparatus is in the need of something it doesn't get to function you know the car starts to yell too if you don't give it any oil eventually it starts to scream and yell and break down and the acceptance that we are the same.
And so it's this lubricant that is the, sounds really sexy, haha, but it's this Jews, this understanding that is present.in verbal communication with others who speak a similar language. It's so much easier than when you speak different languages. I mean, I guess that's the case with English and Chinese too, so why be So why be surprised, you know? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And that's such a good example, you know, that part of you which is objecting to being mistreated or, you know, the part of you which is objecting when the toe gets stabbed. Oh, when you are being called a label, well, what a wonderful love in disguise.
What a beautiful, you know, this is the mind, of course. The, you know, the reality doesn't object to itself. It is itself. It doesn't have any objections whatsoever. It's the mind that presents objections. But the reality has no problems with mind presenting objections. The reality doesn't object to those objections. I have this sweet example Dean actually gave me lately. And by the way, I want you guys to speak in a minute. I just want to say this one. I had the label for him, which he didn't like. Jenny, you may accidentally know the label, but anyway, he says he doesn't like the label. I say, look, I don't want to.I don't want to hurt you.
If you don't like it, I'll just see if I can just maybe, maybe if that, you know, the light brought into the situation, if I may just abstain from using the label. And he says, no, don't, don't. I have no problem with not liking that label. Exactly, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You know, when one can agree to disagree or whatever you want, however you want to put it, or that it's okay not to be in a good, you know, when there isn't a problem with the problem or whatever, however we want to wrap it in words. But this, when this, oh gosh.
This knowing that there's nothing wrong, that everything is absolutely all right, even when the shit hits the fucking fan, excuse my French. When I'm in the presence of others where we can share this, it's so delicious. And it hurts. To be in the presence where that awareness cannot be shared. Thank you for helping me clarify where the catch actually is. Yeah. Thanks.And thank you for the beautiful appreciation of that real ease with speaking the same language, because, yes, it is greatly appreciated. It's a great fun to express the inexpressible. And, you know, you appreciate the pleasure of the interaction with those who speak the same language because of the comparison.
Yes. Because you have something to compare to. That's the duality of the illusory experience to the world. So we need those. We need it. We need the dark and the light and the, you know, the understood and the not understood and however you want to put it. It's all part of it. So love it all. Yeah. That's it. Unconditionally. Without the disease, you wouldn't know health. Without the incapacity to communicate with someone who speaks Chinese, you wouldn't appreciate the capacity of those who do. Oh, it's been such a lovely meeting. Come on, Dean. It's been a good meeting. Thanks, everyone. That started off really well with Andrew.
I had this energy at the start, like this energy of like this freshness and, you know, but it was funny because like if Andrew didn't speak, I probably would have spoken. Because of this rumbling energy. But Andrew, he was so fantastic. And it was so fresh. And it was actually...what I was experiencing, he said. And it was really lovely. Yeah, so I don't have to say anything. That was really good. Yeah. Yes, you don't have to say anything. Saying happens, so keep going. The mom says this way, it's not happening. It just happens. Open your mouth and the father will speak. Yeah, I guess, I don't know, I was on the phone today with someone who's in Nepal, you know, he's on this spiritual retreat and he had this, you know, he's meditating, he's doing this.
And, and no, no, I think Wes is just doing some fabulous agreeing hand movements. Yeah, but maybe he does want to speak and he's always welcome. Yeah. And this guy's been doing so well. No cage has been rattled. He's there. He's in deep meditation. He's doing this physical work. He's spending time with the monks. And then he met a girl. And everything just crumbled and he found himself lying and cheating and deceiving and creating all this stuff. It was so beautiful. And everything crumbled, like really quickly, like within a few days, he said she was just an absolute, he was infatuated and he was mesmerised completely.
And in those, the strongest feelings he'd ever experienced came out. And then all of a sudden his behaviour from being this chanting monk became just this erratic young dude, just conniving, cheating, lying to do anything to try and manipulate the situation. And so he came to express all this. And it was such a beautiful conversation because all of it was like, that is the expression. And, you know, what was the advice? The advice is just keep seeing everything as it unfolds, these patterns, these patterns as they play. You know, you can watch them and follow them and some of them look predictable. And then all of a sudden the circumstances make them so unpredictable.
There's unpredictability, there's predictability, there's every facet is like on display and there's no point in like resistance andnon-resistance, like the whole show is, as Andrew pointed out so well, is a phenomenal existence. And in the phenomenon, and he also used the word equanimity, equanimity is the whole show because it is a phenomena. There's no right or wrong. There's no good or bad. There's no up or down. There's no inside or outside. It is just thisness. And thisness is the spontaneous nowness, the spontaneous absolute presence of how it explodes into appearing. And it's just, it's the appearance. And so in that appearance, in that is-ness, things can, feelings can come up, movements towards lying and cheating and deceiving can appear from nowhere.
And then they subside, like it's in constant change. So you can't be any of it. And you're not doing any, there's no one doing any of it. There's no grand orchestrator to this. So it's playing itself out. And just seeing the noticing of the play is the healing, is the wholeness, is the total resolution of it. And there's nothing that needs to be done. And then the great perfection is that there's no need to change, modify or correct that which already is. Absolutely.equanimous and well yes you can say yes but but it's also not neutral because it it contains every polarity in in in the sense as well um so but it is neutral in another sense um because that's the appearance it's all the appearance it's all it's the same screen so I think I'd like to hear Andrew, who's got his hand up to try and...
Finish this one. Yeah, yeah, just to... Andrew? Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Andrew. Hi, Andrew. I was just going to say, you know, like when I was talking about Stephen, that sort of goes for everybody who holds an opinion for and against anything. It's got to be coming from some sort of reference point. Like, I'm a white Australian. I live in a peaceful country. So when I see all these countries at war, it must be wrong. See, you have no right to say that. You don't know the big picture that's gone back hundreds of years and thousands of years, right? A very good example of that was...There's a guy who used to come to the meetings and he used to work as, I think, a TV cameraman.
He had a really good job anyway. And he threw it all in to go work with drug addicts on the street. And they, of course, ripped him off, stole all his shit, you know. Just completely left him in a state. And he was sitting on the couch here, Bob's just going, oh, you know, you talk about this, Bob, and you talk about that. He goes, the world's fucked. You know? And Bob, Bob didn't even move. He didn't even flinch. He just said to him, he said, Can you tell me a time when the world wasn't fucked? And just, you know, that's it. Can you tell me a time when there wasn't a war going on?
Can you tell me a time where the rich weren't exploiting the poor? Can you tell me a time where there wasn't crazy, power-mad politicians clawing over each other to get to the top? Can you tell me a time? Where the poor weren't put into bondage and slavery of some sort. You know, back in the older days, they used to have slaves, but you had to feed and clothe your slave, and you had to provide him with accommodation. And some smart asses come along and said, Why don't you just free them?What do you mean free them? Just free them. Just give them a loan. Give them a loan of interest.
There'll be a free range play for them. And they're still under your control. It's that they don't know it. They'll think they're free. So the same shit's been going on for thousands of years in different forms. And who's to say it's right or wrong? It's just the way it is. It's just the way it is. It hits me. Don't hold an opinion for or against anything. Because you're not in a position to know the big picture. You're seeing things in one frame. One frame of reference at a time, you know. And so.If there's no you there, there's no you to be upset about anything. See, that's why free will.
Where does free will come from? Well, the imaginary entity gives itself free will. That's the only place free will comes from. The imaginary self, the fake self, the false self says, oh yeah, I've got free will. I've got autonomy. I can do what I want. That's part of the illusion as well. That's probably the biggest illusion. And it's probably one of the hardest things to tell people about too, that there's no free will. They don't accept it. They'll say, you're trying to dispel me. You're trying to take away my power, you know.Andrew, you accidentally muted yourself. Oh, there you are. No, that's it. That's it.
That's all I wanted to say. Ah, okay. That's all I wanted to say. As Bob said, when was there ever a time when the world wasn't fucked up? You know what I mean? You know, imagine, imagine, imagine living in Nazi Germany or before that under the Russian Tsars. You know, it's always been the same. The poor get shit on.Yeah, that's the dream. Dream and the dream characters. And that's a great point to say, you know, Hin Sing Ming would say, hold no opinion for or against anything. And Bob would always highlight what he said. He didn't say have no opinion because that's not up to you.
He would say, hold no opinion. Opinions will arise and they will fade away if they are not attended to. So the opinions are not a problem. Holding on to it as if there is a reference point, the I, and this is mine, this is personal, I'll defend it. This is the problem, a relationship relating to the imagined self. And I love how you said, Andrew, yeah, what's free will? It's part of the imagination that the imagination has about itself. It's the imaginary self that doesn't even exist. Part of its imaginary attributes is free will. But if it is not even there, who is there to have the free will?
Obviously, the problem is solved. And I see Jean-Philippe is unmute. Would you like to say something? Or is that? My apologies. Oh, no, no, no problem. Sorry. Hi, Tanya.And we have another three minutes. So Tanya, Dean. I'll say something else. If you want to see someone's idea of the me and the mind, just when you see a Ferrari parked on the street outside your house, say to somebody, oh, check that Ferrari out. They go, ah, probably some rich asshole. He's probably ripped everyone off. Probably cheated on his taxes, a prick, you know. Fucking asshole. And then what do you say to the person? What about if it was your Ferrari?
And straight away, it would flip to, oh, no, you know, the pride would be there. Oh, you know, I can afford this, you know. So it's one of the quickest ways to point out the ego to somebody, you know, the way the ego holds onto opinions about everything. As long as it's somebody else's, you know, and then compare that to if it was yours, if it was yours, and see the difference in the way people relate to that.Again, beautifully practical. Thank you. Did anyone add something? While you've been speaking, I've been trying to read your hat. But you've been moving so much. But I've read the inside of it and it says, laugh with many, but don't trust any.
I think it says thug life. Thug life? Yes, yes. Something. Thug life. Oh, is that what it, that had starts, yep. Life with many and don't trust any. As if you have any choice in the matter. Where does it say that? In the middle, up inside. Sure it does. I've been trying to read it for about an hour now. It says, way of life, laugh with many, but don't trust any. Laugh life. Laugh life. You didn't know that? I never read that. I never read it. You can read it from Australia. Geez, you're going well. I've been struggling. You've got the Superman eyes. I honestly didn't know it said that.
I wonder what else you can see. Yeah. That's right. Beautiful. Yeah, well, I'll tell you one last thing before we go. I remember talking to Bob one day.We're having lunch. And he goes, I go, oh, was there one, you know, when you sort of found non-duality, Bob, was it kind of like one day you were in duality and the next day you were not in duality? Can you remember? Bob says to me, I can't fucking remember. He goes, I wasn't keeping a fucking diary. I just thought that is just so Bob, you know. I wasn't keeping a fucking diary. It was funny.There you have it.
Wow. Beautiful. I think I'm going to put it online. That was such a pearl. He would speak to me like he was speaking to one of his sheep shearing mates because that's the way I had to. He probably, his own knowing knew that. He had to speak to me very bluntly, very sharp, very clearly, as I wouldn't accept it. You know, I've got to have something sort of, I've got to have it in the most primal form, so to speak, you know, with plenty of swearing involved, hopefully. Yes, Bob was meeting people where they are. Yeah, that's the thing about Bob. He was as soft as a baby around animals and around women.
I never heard him swear much around women. He was from that generation where you didn't swear in front of women. When you're with the boys, all hell breaks loose, you know. He was from that generation.Yeah, he was that extinct generation of men of great values. Although, of course, life essence expressing through everyone is expressing as the totality. Everyone is absolute pure perfection. But yes, he was... Extraordinarily pure perfection. We are not all extinct. Yeah, good, good. Good to know. No, everyone is absolute pure perfection. But yes, I'll stay biased. And thank you, everyone. Thank you for hanging out with us and sharing the love and the joy of speaking the same language.
Yes, ruffle the feathers. Have a lovely weekend. Thank you, everyone. Love you. Next time. Bye-bye. Bye, all. Bye. Bye. Bye, all.