The location is HERE. Sailor Bob and group nonduality investigation. 8 Oct 2023

Hello, Jira, Jira, Jira, Jira, Jira, Jira, Jira, Adrian, Deng, Nisha, Jacinta, Jason, and then we have two. Congress. Congress. Congress. Congress. Good morning, everyone. Good to see you all. Cat introducing to the...started with the most important thing, where's the toilet? That's the most important. What we point about, what we point to, is what all the ancient texts and that point to. It's not new, been around for thousands of years, but a lot of us don't notice. We've taken on this idea we are this person, this separate entity. But, look in some of the ancient things that have been said and are still written in the book today, and they call it the basic space of awareness.

Basic space. That's the base of everything. We miss out on that. And have a look. Anything, or anyone that's outside of space right now, look outside. Isn't all the manifestation appearing in space. Space is no thing. It's empty. But all these patterns, shapes and forms are appearing in it. Including you. The name. I just got reminded. Sorry. You're going to hear him a little bit better. I've been emasculated. I hope not. So, that is all there is. Space. Space is no thing. Have a look. Can you find a centre to this space you are sitting in right now? Can you find a point where it begins?

No. It's a place where it begins. It's a place where it begins. It's a place where it begins. It's a place where it begins. Can you find a point where it begins? Does it have any boundaries to it? No centre, no circumference, no boundaries. And can you postulate or think of anything that's outside of it? You and I and everything that chairs and tables are all in that basic space. Which is no thing. We say nothing and think it's zero. A vacuum will be void. Doesn't mean that at all. It means it hasn't got any pattern, shape or form. And all these patterns, shapes and forms are just like clouds in the sky.

They appear, float around for a while and disappear. So, the same with all this manifestation. The thoughts are coming up, appearing, playing around, disappearing, the feelings, the emotions and everything else. But we've taken on the belief that we are this person, this separate entity, this individual. We've learnt words. We've learnt words. And take the word to be real. And describe ourselves, what we think we are with the word. Don't realise that the description can never be the described. And what we are trying to describe right now will never be its description. But it's only a pointer towards it. And that pointer towards you, have a look and realise that yes, I am not unaware right now.

Isn't that so? Anybody who is not unaware right now, nobody jumps up and says, well I'm not unaware. Why? Because you know already you can't negate that beingness or awareness. You can't say, I am not. There's a knowing what you are. But that knowing what you are, what sort of a story have you got around it? I'm so and so, born at such and such a time. This happened to me. That happened to me. And so and so and so and so and so. And there's a big conceptual story about it all. Not realising that the word is not the thing. All the stories are made up of words, concepts.

Tells you in the Bible, in the beginning was the word. And none of it started till we learnt words. And none of us learnt words till you were about 18 months or a couple of years old. Some of you might have been smarter and picked words quicker. And some of you not so smart and picked them up a bit later. But before that, the first 18 months or so of your life, you had no words. So how can you say I was born? When you don't remember. Because you had no words to say you were born. People try and tell you you were born. You're not.

Because you can't remember. We don't remember anything until we learnt words. Yet there you were. And look at the little baby and I. You see it's functioning quite all right without the word. Until it picks up words. So it tells you in the Bible, in the beginning was the word. That's when it all begins for us. The word was with God. That's all that this so-called God is. Another word. We put on something we think is different. All things were made by him, by the word. And there was nothing made that was made without the word. And so what are we doing here? We're speaking in words, concepts, ideas, images.

And we realise that what we're pointing to, that's all it is. We're pointing towards something that is not its description. Not we're describing anything. But there is a sense of presence. There is an awareness of being. Is anyone unaware right now? And I don't see any of you jumping up and saying I'm not aware. Because you know damn well you can't. You are aware. You're not unaware. Being was another term they put on it. Being. Sat Chita Nanda. Naamurupa. That's the five factors of Advaita. Sat is existence. Chita is consciousness. Ananda is loving to be. Naamurupa is body mind. Name and form. They tell you that Naamurupa, body mind is a Maya.

It's an illusion. These patterns which we're all expressing through right now. The patterns, shapes and forms of everything. It's an illusory pattern. It's only appearing to be so. It's not its reality. Its reality is that one life. One essence. One intelligence. One intelligence. Energy. Or whatever labour you like to put on it. Godliness or beingness. Being. Knowing. And loving to be. Anyone who is not being right now. Again. You know that you are being. Not being this or that with some concept on it. But just pure being. And being. You can't say you're not being. But it's not becoming either. We think. We believe we are this person.

This separate entity. We need to become something. But becoming is a concept of time. Well it's a future. So that's another thing we need to look at. That's all these things need to be investigated. Because we are taking them to be real. The imagined. To be real. And believe in it. But it's not the actual. And it's that in the S namesk is the great. And the Sarka that it tells you. That it's that that the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in.

And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. And the Sarsan I was in. to be real and believe in it, but it's not the actual, it's not the real. As Nisargadatta tells you, nothing can trouble you except your own imagination. Break that word imagination down to image in, imagine. Isn't that what we're doing? We're creating mental or conceptual images. Take image to be real. Everything in this room is an image, an appearance, including these body-minds. It's all appearance. And it's all transient. It's constantly changing. There is nothing static at all, anywhere. This body is changing right now. There are not one or two cells, but there are thousands of cells dying in it right now and being replaced.

What are you doing about it? Do you think you're doing anything at all about it? And we take the time that I will become something. Becoming implies a future time. Investigate time. That's what we point to. These things need to be looked at. Investigate. Test it out. We never test them out. People say, go to different people and learn different things, understand different things and just grasp them. But a lot of them is missed out on. People go to Ramana. What Ramana was? He's died in 1960, but what it was? A so-called enlightened being. A two. It was. It was. But, so they listen to what he says.

They think they go to him and become a light and an old respirator. But what does he tell you? He tells you that one of the greatest books you can read is one of the things is the Raibu Gita. You ever look in the Raibu Gita and see what it says? It tells you clearly in there there's no creation, no creator and no creature. So, there's no creature. You and I are creatures, creatures. There's no creator and no creation. We don't listen to what he's saying. We go look and think he's going to give us something to tell us. That's what we do. We go to these different teachings and different things.

We're going to learn something. But see where they're coming from and what they're pointing to. The whole scriptural saying is know the truth. And the truth will set you free. Don't say don't believe in it or think of it. Know it. What is the truth? Am I this person? Am I this body? Am I this mind? Am I this human being? All different things. Call ourselves human beings. We'll have a look at that. Call ourselves human beings. We believe in God. We've got this concept of God. We call God the supreme being. It's something greater than what we are. When basically they're telling us the basic space of phenomena.

It's all basic space. It's all no thing. In which everything vibrates, patterns, shapes and forms and appears to be real. So, it's no thing. No pattern, no shape, no form. No form. But it's that one life or one energy or whatever label you like to put it and the word is not the thing. Now, how many words are we born with? Looking into it again. You say I was born, but as I pointed out before, you don't pick up any words until you're about two, two and a half when the capacity of reasoning develops in you. For the little child is not doing any reasoning because it hasn't developed.

You just came out and he's still not that far from that embryonic state where there's just a little fetus, a little thing. But he grew from that. Where did he begin? Where did you begin? Well, go back to your father and your mother. And then listen to what Miss Agadatta points out when he says there is only life. There is nobody who lives a life. If that's true, that's what he means. That's all there is in this room is life. That's all there is anywhere else is life. What is life? It's being, it's knowing, it's loving to be. It's a happening, an appearance, a seeming occurrence, a vibrating pattern of intelligence in it that pattern shapes and forms this manifestation which we take to be real, take to be separate and isolate it and separate it.

And in that isolation and separation becomes the fear, the anxiety, the stress, the guilt, the unhappiness and all the problems we have in the idea of separation because, have a look at it, if you feel separate, you feel alone, you feel out of it, separate from it. What if you recognize you are the one essence, you are what they say is the absolute. absolute? What can you ever add to absolute? If you look into that and see absolute, there's nothing that can be added to it at all. It wouldn't be absolute if you could add the smallest thing to it. There's nothing that can be taken away from it.

It wouldn't be absolute if you can take anything away from it. And if you recognize that I am absolute, nothing can be added to me, nothing can be taken away. Who could ever be superior to? When before, looking at it, say, well, he's greater than I am, or they're not so good, they're smarter, or this, that, and the other. All sorts of concepts about this, that, and the other. If it's absolute, nothing can be added to it, nothing taken away. That means you are that absoluteness, the totality. Nobody superior to you, nobody inferior to you. And what could you want from the other person? You wouldn't be rocking around to take this away for them, or gather this, or whatever.

What we're trying to do all the time, get something from somebody else or add to it. All this psychological suffering that we're carrying around with us now, how could it be there if it's absolute? There's no division to it or no separation. Just think of those things for a while and investigate. Could this be so? Could it not be so? And see for yourself if everything as it is, one non-dual essence, one without a second, not two, only that. And that's what they tell us again. You'll see that if you read any of these ancient texts or books or hear some of the people that are profounding it will talk about, they'll say, I am that.

Or that is all there is. It's only that. And when you look at that, you mightn't have looked into it before, but you say, look, that's true. That's the chair I'm sitting in. That's the room I'm in. That's the space in the room. That's the tree. That's the flower. That's you. That's me. Everything in this room, all the manifestation, all the pattern, shapes and forms are that in reality. But we put their labels on it. You, me, bird, room, space and everything. We put their other words which would discriminate with the words. And it tells you in the same name the great way is not difficult.

The way that we talked about is not the way. We talk about it now but it's not the way. It never will be. But points toward it. The great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. What do we do? We've got a preference about this. A preference about that. We like this. We don't like that. Continually dividing conceptually. Where? In images. And nothing can trouble you except your own imagination. So he carries that on. He says there's only life. There's nothing about death. Only life. And he says there's nobody who lives a life. Aren't you a body? Or think you're a body?

I thought I was a body. Mine. Not until investigations pointed out to see what they were saying was true. There is no body. This body is just a vibrating pattern of energy in which that life is expressing through and patterning, shaping and expressing through and appearing to be real. and if it wasn't for something to express through, how could it express? It would be in its absoluteness that it couldn't express as anything at all. So the patterns, shapes and forms, the vibrations are appearance only. which they'll tell you again. It's all there. It is a phenomenal manifestation. This manifestation and everything in it is phenomenal.

Look up your dictionary definition of phenomena. That which appears to be. What's appearance? Appearance is how it seems to be. When you look into the appearance, go down to the ocean, you might see a blue sea. Try and get a bucket of blue water out of the sea. You can't. It appears to be blue. The blue sky. You go outside on a clear day, there seems to be a blue canopy over it and it seems blue. Go up 30 or 40,000 feet in the plain, is the blueness up there? It's not. The sky is only space like the space in its room. Where's the blueness?

Snake in a rope, the castle in the air, the different ways, the metaphors they use to point it out. It's pointed out. It's all there before our very eyes which we ignore. And that's what they tell us. It's ignorance. And I hear that term and I think, well, I'm dull or stupid. I don't understand them. I don't realise it. It doesn't mean that at all. It means we turn our back on what is the actual, get the conceptual image about it, lodge into that and try and divide it and think of it in some concept, some pattern, some shape and form that will make it real.

And ignoring its true nature, which is its cognising emptiness, which the Buddha pointed out a couple of thousand years ago. It's pointed out all that long ways. And we think we are cognising the emptiness. He's not pointing that at all. It's the emptiness, it's the cognising emptiness. It's the emptiness that is doing the cognising or knowing. And he made a statement there and then that emptiness is form. All these pattern, shapes and forms in this room and the room itself are forms. And it's all emptiness. Emptiness is form and he turned it around the other way and said the forms can be nothing other than emptiness.

And what is it? It's all vibrating energy. Vibrating into something seemingly solid. Like you see that out there. You've got a propeller on the plane, you know, it turns just a blade. Starts spinning around, it looks like a solid circle. Things appear different, you know. And then the appearance we take to be real. Look at the metaphors for all these things. When they're investigated, as they all tell you clearly, the false cannot stand up to investigation. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Don't believe in this, that or the other because a belief is not the actual. Look up your dictionary definition of belief.

The definition of belief is an unquestioned acceptance of something in the absence of reason. Somebody tells you something, oh yeah, I believe that. Haven't investigated, haven't questioned it, taken it to be real. Acceptance of an alleged fact. without positive knowledge or proof. And put it to that test, investigate it, and you'll realise what they say is true. The false cannot stand up to investigation. Because if you investigate it, you'll see through it. In seeing through it, what must you be left with? You see the false as false, well the opposite of false is the truth. So you recognise the false and see the false as false, what's much you'll be left with.

You can't believe in the false anymore so you must be left with the truth. And they tell you that also, know the truth and the truth will set you free. That's where the freedom, peace and joy is. In the recognising of it, not in your conceptual grasping of it. we try to grasp it with a mind, a thought. And the circuit has told you that we try to grasp it with a thought and fail. Try to grasp it with a concept and we fail. He says, you're bound to fail, bound to, because it's non-conceptual awareness. So if we try to grasp it with a word and that's what we do, we hear it and think we're going to grasp it with the, my concept will be better than your concept, I'll be telling you the truth and this other won't be.

No concept is the truth. Because they tell you that also, the great perfection is non-conceptual awareness. So there it is, anybody who is unaware right now, innately, you're absolutely certain. I'm not unaware, I am aware. What awareness is, it's just another label. Just another word that you can't negate it. Just like being, you can't say you are not being. You can say it, you can mouth the words, I'm not being or I'm unaware. But what would you be able to say and if that awareness or beingness wasn't there, would you be able to say any words at all? When you were a little fetus, a little embryo, how many words did you have then?

None. At all. Where did you begin? When he says there's only life, there's nobody who lives alive, when does that life start? Well, go back and look into it. Go back to your father and your mother. You mean that animating life essence, that intelligence energy, that you call your father. father in that pattern, you call your father, the innate intelligence in the food he's eaten, the air he's breathing and the functioning of that life in that body, enabled in that body a little microscopic particle called a sperm to form. You can't see it with your naked eyes, you can't see the sperms, blah, blah, blah, there.

Put it under a microscope, you might see something moving in it. But in it was that life. And that life was suffused with intelligence. It knew what to do. The same thing in your mother, that animating life essence in your mother, enabled in that pattern, like a microscopic particle called an egg, or an ovum to form. That egg, or an ovum attached itself to the wall of the uterus. Again, implying it knew what to do, but it was suffused with intelligence. It wasn't just a bled blob of nothingness. It was suffused with life. The sperm suffused with life swam to the ovum. And those two coming together, that cell doubled, redoubled, and formed the little apetis, the little embryo, which is what you are today.

What were you doing about it then? If you think you're living and running the show, what were you doing about it then? Nothing. What are you doing about it now? Those cells that are dying in your body and being replaced right now? What are you as the person doing about it? That breath you just took, you just say I'm going to take another breath or beat my heart or is it spontaneous and naturally happening, natural functioning? That life, if that life wasn't in that body, what can a corpse do? Nothing at all. So when they're saying there's only life, there's nobody who lives that life, and you are the life, like Christ told you a couple of thousand years ago, he said I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life, not talking about himself, talking about that sense of presence and knowing that you are, that's the life, that's the way, that's the truth, be that life, and recognise that life and see it's spontaneously happening right now.

Did you think about that breath you just took, or about expanding or contracting a heart that just happened, or the food you've eaten this morning is rolling around in your guts being digested? We're not taking any notice of that, that that life is going on, breathing, beating a heart, and out there what's it doing? Rolling the earth around the sun, causing the seasons to come and go, the tides to come in and out, the stars, planets, and things like that, to form, vibrate, to implode, explode, do whatever's happening, and all sorts of things are happening out there in that space-like non-conceptual ever-fresh presence awareness, which is not time-bound, it's not past or future, it's present, presently, spontaneously, happening right now, and this is all we've got, is this presence.

Yesterday is gone, the past is gone, you can't go back and live yesterday, try it, you can recall it, you can recall something that you did, so called a moment ago or yesterday, but if you're not recalling it, it's not there, and what you don't remember is forgotten the good, you'll never remember again, because it's gone, so you can't go back and live in the past, you can imagine or anticipate it, or when that's the future, it's the imagination and anticipation, you can't live a moment in the future, but you can imagine what you're going to do when you leave here or anticipate what you're going to do, but you can't live in the future, in the past, you can't recall the past, if you can't recall it, it's not there, so all of that leave you is this timeless presence, and as I say, it is timeless, when does now begin?

Didn't it begin just now? Spontaneously, you say now, and even as you're saying that now, it was ending and beginning again. It's got no duration, time is duration, from get to here to there, or the past and future are constant, you give it some time, seemingly concept of duration in the body, but if it's a spontaneous functioning, and ever fresh in you, somewhat of a movement, not even a full movement, it's a spontaneous throb or pulsation, and recognise this is what I am, I am this sense of presence, I am this beingness, I cannot negate the being, I cannot say I am not, can you?

And you know damn well you can't. You can say it, I can say I'm not being, I'm not being, what are you doing? Aren't you telling yourself a lie? Because the beingness is there. You wouldn't be able to say if it wasn't there. So we don't notice these things because they're locked in the beliefs and we're set for anything, continually reinforcing, continuing to hear what others around us are telling us because they haven't investigated. Until it's investigated, we don't know. You people wouldn't be here if you weren't, if you were satisfied with what you were told that all this thing there's a big baddie upstairs is going to save you and do this and do all the rest of it and all sorts of things are going to happen.

You've heard that crap before and you've come to the conclusion this is not so. And it takes you to look somewhere else and realise that and amazingly it'll take you where you got to go to hear it. And there are others who are locked into it will stay in it and think, oh I'm close to it now I'll get it in the next day or two and so cling to their beliefs and understanding and so miss out on the actuality and reality of what they have. But naturally and effortlessly there's a resonation something you hear or recognise or see will come up spontaneously or you might hear it or you might read a word in a page or something that will resonate.

When I mean resonate that's something innately it'll say this is so this is the truth and makes you look further and go into it and in the start of that keep coming back and investigating and it'll take you where you've got to go and I can say that with an absolute certainty allow it to be let it rest as they say in the scripture let it rest in this uncontrived singularity they're talking about a singularity non-dual one without a second only the one which we make dualistically by the concepts there's not dual there's not two and whatever the idea or concept there's two two is relationship relative two we think the male female relationship we've split it up into relationships no wonder there's so much divorce and unhappiness and fear going on in that relationship relative to what happens if there's a natural merging a natural recognition a natural drawing to you and those of you who expressed it in your lives will know and know the differences something there that brings us together and keeps us together and there is a sense of well-being in that a lot of the hassle drops away he's got this and she's like that I love her I love her but I hate the bitch you did this to me and it goes on with all the concepts recognize that it's only the one and you and I and everything else is one non-dual that's what we point to that's what we look at the basic space of phenomena start with that fact we think space is something separate we're all sitting in space now we think it's something separate but it's not it is what everything is appearing in patterning shape and forming but space there's no centre to it have a look see if you can find a point where space begins there's no starting point no centre no beginning now can you find a boundary to it can you find an edge to it a stoppage to it is it blocked off somewhere can you postulate or think of anything at all that could be outside of space what would it be in so it's no thing it's not encompassed by anything at all there's nothing outside of it nothing before it or nothing after it is the only reality that there is a cognising emptiness so everything appears in that in the appearance the move seeming somewhat of a movement and pattern shapes and forms appear and this body is a pattern shape and form when it came about when the so called little child was born the pattern shape and form appeared instead of seeing it and that's what's through that life it's expressing through that's what it's feeling through the manifestation and all these pattern shapes and forms are the same thing they form for the life to express through but it's never changed its true nature never can and never will so you see when we divide it what are we doing we're separating it and it becomes me and the not me the me that's other than me and so we think there's other than me there's a separation from it a division but again pointing out non-duality one without a second not two it's inseparable it cannot be separated it never was never could be or never will be it's indivisible it can't be divided and this mental concept that's all we're doing with the mental concepts is dividing because the nature is the mind is to vibrate and it vibrates dualistically as Shakespeare pointed out here two or four hundred years ago he says there's nothing either good or bad but thinking most of so we'll have a look at that how do I think well I'm in the past or in the future I'm thinking pleasant painful happy sad loving hating positive dividing it all up with words concepts and they tell us non-conceptual awareness awareness without the word without the beginning of the word I went through all those things before pointing out it's there laid out ever before your eyes but it goes unnoticed because we're stuck in this belief we are separate we go to school parents tell you little Johnny or little Billy or little Jean whatever your name might be and that thought I am comes upon it now we learn why I am and as soon as we say I am we take it to be this person this conceptual image that I am is just the sense of presence the knowing that you are translates as that thought I am am I a thought well have a look what's your next thought going to be and if you look at it you'll look maybe you'll tell me what the next thought is you'll say you can't say what your next thought is yet a thought will come up a thought comes up and you say I think as soon as the thought comes up we claim it and this believes in entity I think it's believed in person me but now I think he's thinking a thought and what's the thought I think it's become the thinker now instead of just thinking I've got the concept I'm a thinker I'm a thinker that's the thought I think and what's the thought become the subject the object I'm thinking this thought that I'm not good enough or I'm fearful or this is not so I don't like it or whatever the thought might be so now it's divided into subject object dualism can there be a thinker without thinking stop and have a look at that everyone right now without a thought what can you say if you pause it for a moment not putting any concepts on it doesn't stop the seeing or having nothing's being labelled it's just seen as it is as they say seeing no thing yet it is seen hearing no thing yet it is heard so the seeing the thinking the tasting the touching the smelling the ing that's going on is the actual leaving it as it is that's what the actual is but when you say I see I think I feel I see I taste you're relating it to the person to me now this conceptual image when you think I see I think and I thoughts are better than your thoughts and I know more than what you do you're an arsehole all the concepts come up but who's the thinker and realise again well the thinker can only be the thought I see if you're not thinking the thought I see you're back into the pure seeing and pure wearing and we're constantly relating to this believed in entity which is no person no subject no object it is just what is what is is not what was it's not what will be is is right now the seemingly nowness if you like to put that term on it the spontaneous presence try and get away from it and I say when that little fetus starts to form the sperm and the ovum coming together it grows it grows where does the growing go where does it fed from you realise you realise it's attached to the cord of your mother the umbilical cord the life's coming through the mother into that cord when the child comes out is born what happens they cut the cord and then what happens the life is in the child lift them up what are they taught they taught it from Christ you are the light of the world the light of life tells us in the scriptures do not hide your light under a bushel let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works glorify the father that life essence the light the son of spirit because what they call this the solar plexus we are joined with the cord solar meaning the sun or the light so where the light comes into your body the light of life and light is like that light it needs somewhere to shine out that's covered it's dark and when light needs an appetite where does the light of life shine out of you doesn't it shine through your eyes in that light isn't that what Christ told you I am the way I am the truth I am the light he's not talking about himself he's talking about that light of life and this argument tells us there's only life there's only that light everything is in that light of life and you are the life that's what needs to be remembered because he tells you what can be remembered and forgotten is not you you are what is what you think you are or what you believe you are but what is right now jump up and tell me you are not if you can I don't see it happening why because innately you already know it if you didn't know it you'd say yeah you're full of shit I'm not so I'm going to tell you I'm here but you can't say that because you know you cannot negotiate your being and I think it was rammed out that says be what you are not what you pretend to be or what you think you are be what you are what is I what I what am I well there it is again it's there I am that all the scriptural books will tell you that I am that is the great mantra that is what I am and you know that because that's the chair I'm sitting in that's the room the chair's in that's the space in the room that's the tree that's the flower before we put words or labels on everything else it's all that and it's still all that even if you discriminate with the word and the word is never the thing it's never the real that's what we point to and I should look at it take it from there put your own version on it or whatever but keep it going thank you thank you thank you where is she tying it oh my god yes so we have a couple of comments from I mean we have plenty of welcome messages good morning to the whole group from all over the world and all over Australia and we have it's not really a question it's a comment can we ever relate to another this is from British Julia but it's not a question because the answer is right here only one recognizing the oneness in everything recognize thee in all thy ways it's only one and Laura says I love when Bob swears it's not really cursing anyone it's a passion and that's it really apart from a lot of good mornings and Marco says good morning from hospital in Perth hope you're gonna be well Marco long time no see and from all over the world okay so yeah the mic goes to you guys now if there was anything that particularly touched your heart and you resonated with just repeat it out loud and it may make a difference for others you wanna start Richard yes certainly there can't be a thought without an eye but there can be a phone without an eye also there's this interesting Maori woman in New Zealand who has this relationship relationship with water to the degree that she can ask a question of water and get what she calls a water glyph with the answer and she asked water what is death and the response was the glyph of life beautiful Peter hello hello everybody thank you hello I'm just struck by the notion that I'm life really I am life where is that life in me though you see we can't identify where that is and what it is can we we know we are that and that that is the totality of this teaching isn't it Bob that you know just know that we are life feel the vibration not even in the body it's not limited to the skin bag are we we see life outside us in that we are that we're everything everything everywhere it won't be any different to that we really just take it on board that's fantastic no more concepts about it I'm afraid thank you David David oh okay you jump in just a thought slightly different to what Peter was talking about which is I take my hat off in regards to but in regards to space it was almost a rhetoric thought and just ask yourselves what would happen if space did not exist my answer to that is there would be just one homogenous mass there would be no shape or form nothing nothing would be defined nothing would exist it would just be anyway just a thought on spacelessness if it could exist yeah we had a meeting yesterday with someone individual meeting and she was asking about just that you know the life the space and she says oh is it everything is alive you know is the piece of brick alive and is the matter alive so this kind of begs for a little bit of an explanation because the way mind understands aliveness it projects right away some sense of self consciousness that's not what we pointed it really is and it isn't at the same time the aliveness the movement of energy when you think of the movement of the subatomic particles constituting matter is the movement you can call the movement life you can see the atoms they have beginning and end they have some life spam so they create this vibration create some sense of a solidity there and they somehow keep the integrity you know to actually break the atom you need a lot of energy you get a lot of energy as well but there is some sense of integrity it doesn't mean that there is a consciousness in the atom but again it depends on the definition of consciousness because if you define consciousness as the movement of energy then everything is that everything is the consciousness if you define awareness as a potential for that movement of energy to actualize as form then everything is awareness it all depends on the definition and the space again does it exist or it doesn't is it the absence of object or is it a presence of something it all depends on the language and we are pointing beyond the language so it is more of the intuitive grasp it is more of the resonation with the heart recognition of what is already known there is presence there is awareness of presence it is known in the heart it is the same awareness of presence in the tree who cares you know if you actually sit down in the awareness or in the plastic bag or anything if you sit in that awareness of presence and you realize that the concept separates you from every other form or like Peter was saying identification with a skin bud when that thought is not present you are the field of knowing and everything appears in that field of knowing your body other bodies plastic bags bricks whatever everything is part of that field of knowing is a content of that field of knowing and there is only a thought that tells you that you are here and this is out there without that thought it's pure experiencing that's what we are experiencing being seeing hearing and in that there is no question of identity there is no question of because the question of identity is question of creating a boundary you don't need those boundaries life goes on without the idea that I am limited to my shape or form or to my conceptual image life can be lived much more effortlessly and it's really a dance without that source of suffering which comes from the self identity created by the habitual way of thinking identifying with the image but when we see what the image is it's just a bundle of memories from the past it's just a bundle of ideas so life is going on and within that life within that conscious awareness bundle of ideas arises the belief flows into the bundle of ideas and that's how suffering comes about while recognizing this process that bundle of idea may still be arising the attention may still be going there but there is still a little bit of relaxed attention laughing from the background wow that's how the whole dream comes about amazing doesn't even have to stop but now you are that background that knowing of what is going the appearance and that's completely different game and you want to say it your way no no no no I'm just affirming that yeah but you said it pretty well too I don't know that was pretty on the point yeah the field of knowing of the body sensations sense perceptions it feels very strong and feels very local so how to shake off that belief of the sense perceptions are even if you don't think like you can feel the sensations and feels very local so how to is it but does it feels that I am a separate body or that body is separate to because sense are limited to this area so how and that contradicts with the field of knowing of everything so how to shake off that belief where the sense perceptions are not local you don't have to bob wants to tell you something does he i heard you taking breath aren't allowed to breathe yes you are see the animals are also having doubt you go i say you know you have taken on the belief that you are this person and it's reinforced every day by everybody around you and everybody saying now when you sort of stand alone when you look into it and it's very hard for a start of because everything has been believed in so often so seemingly real but something keep reminding and you'll have a look and you'll start to get a glimpse of things and not how they appear to be it might take what you call time but there's no such thing as time it might not it might be seen immediately and recognised but in the investigation in the questioning in the looking the truth will be seen it's the same but knowing the truth and you'll only know the truth by seeing the false that's false so if you investigate anything test it out is this true is this false and you'll see it's false like you know you believed in Santa Claus when you were kids you know who would believe in it today so it's yours you take it I just want a great present I just want presents but Bob maybe if you answer that question do you feel a sense of location you know when you are moving can you feel that there is a sense of location from which the seeing is happening the angle because there may be subtle expectation that you're going to lose all your functionality and you're going to stop feeling a sense of location like have you seen an animal who doesn't have a sense of location this is all wonderful this is perfectly brilliant to have that vehicle equipped already in that sensory perceptions and senses you know even when you drive the car you have the sense of the shape of a car so you don't crash with other cars you know how to park it this is brilliant you don't want that to go if that goes you may want to see the neurosurgeon it is the idea that it should go sense of location is really fantastic device that helps the body mind to function you have the sense of location don't you sense of presence location of the body you see where the chair is where your butt is sitting you know you know how to put the foot to your mouth any of it outside of space no no no no no presence the body so the sense of perceptions make us feel that we have a body there appears to be a sense of having a body from way back when you were first conditioned to believe in it so from the investigation it feels that the the body is a belief because it's just the how it appears in the sense perceptions like in the eyes and the touch and all the sense perceptions but you think you're a body now yeah it helps if I close my eyes then when you close the eyes shut down the eyes and it's easier to feel that it's the field of knowing is more apparent but even then the sense that you're a separate body is very strong so my question was how to you it's been reinforced day in day up for years it seems very strong when you're in deep sleep you wake up in the morning could you remember your sleep deep sleep did you have a body then no no so it only appears when that seeming waking state comes about yeah but you were whether you know it or not because you wake up in the morning you were there not you there there there was that life was there and everything appears as that life it all appears and expresses and as I say if the if you didn't have that pattern what could you how could you see how could you hear taste touch or smell or do anything see it kind of feels like and I'm totally with you yes it does it is the illusion it's really persistent and it's really brilliantly designed to for the life to get fooled that it is the individual that it is the body it is and it is meant to be this way but when you look when you assume that you are really that life and not the individual because being individual you will only find the evidence of being individual and that will be unbreakable but if you actually see that you are alive and you gave yourself the body you grew the body from being a little fetus you as life you gave yourself the eyes you can give yourself binoculars or microscope and you see differently your perception has changed you can also install few cameras and have the computer and you will have different angles of perception you can also install little sensors and get the sense of other locations as well but this is really you as life experiencing itself through the body and as the body body is not excluded without the body as Bob says life is blind it can't see I mean it sees through the other bodies but in this particular way that the life is experienced it is tinted by the body of course you know like ego sees different things the hyena sees or smells different things the experience experiencing is completely colored by the body but the being is not the basic screen of being is not on that being those experiences come one of those experiences is sense of location it has to be there without it there is no experiencing but the assumption that because there is sense of location this is who I am the sense of location exactly yes it feels like you are separate and then the body is separate and everything Bob did you want to say something no no no no no ok it's just that if you just drop just humor me for a minute and drop the belief that you are a separatity located there alright if you just do that and then look at the genesis of ideas that flow from that and see if they are any different really is there any difference between your sense of the idea of developing in you and the sense of being localized there is there any different to the idea of you know Bob or me or anybody also being over here you see what I'm driving at you just look very fundamentally at the very essence of those ideas as they arise you see there's no difference between them everything is that similar comes and goes in a similar way you know that's an interesting thing I think yeah yeah yeah I just want to say you know we we arrive as it were and we get totally indoctrinated with story okay okay the story is that this this is an individual and this is this is my body but you know there is only one there is only one and it all works together there's the sun that's sustainable there's the air there's the water there's food there's there's the community that supports you this you know this is this is this is what the mind does it picks all this stuff out and it says but actually there is just one big system yeah and you know you have a car you drive a car you say I have a car it's not yours you say there is a sun you know that that sustains you just like your heart does do you call it part of you in actual fact it's all one big system and the mind wants to localize it and that is just conditioning and you know really if you just sit there and and you don't even have to close your eyes you know it's there's there's there's nothing there is no locality I mean the mind will talk about science and and useful things like that but it but actually there is no sense of locality there is just I am and the rest of it is thoughts anyway that's my take you look well said you look well Michael did you want to say something?

I am is a thought it is a thought okay and it's not the reality it's just a thought right exactly the same way everything is in the same way how can they therefore put any credibility on the distinctions we make yeah anything anything that you describe is not it as soon as we start talking we get in trouble we're thinking you don't have to speak can we speak one after yeah we've got a veranda and some steps leading down to the veranda and next to the steps in the garden was this big yuka tree I don't know whether you know what that is but it's quite tall it's about two to three metres high this thing had four big branches coming off it and it was dead basically I could rock it and pull it out of the ground and I was going to do that it was too big so I sawed off the branches and I had four branches like this and it looked nice and I thought well instead of pulling it out of the ground I just put a pot plant in there and I put the pot plant in and as far as I was concerned the thing was dead four months later it sprouted these big spiky leaves and I thought okay well which part of it is the tree and I removed the branches I could have cut it down to a stump and it probably still would have sprouted these big green spiky leaves so what would have happened if I pulled it out and I took it away from the soil it would have died what happened if I removed the sunshine it would have died what if I removed it from the atmosphere the carbon dioxide or the water it would have died so which part of the tree and are we any different just ever so quickly when we say I am even that's another concept in fact everything is prior to words exactly sorry thank you beautiful we have a couple of comments would you want to say something Peter or I have a couple oh Richard okay go on when awakeness happens in the morning there's absolutely no sense of self but very quickly that is accompanied by fear because there is also no sense of location beautiful I have a couple of comments from online community and this is this is from Ram you cannot conceive of so called world without space because you cannot conceive of something that is inconceivable this is why we use the expression space like awareness beautiful and this is Bill there is no sense of location when you walk to the Billabong it returns when you think about the blue dragonfly hovering above the muddy water locality comes and goes one experiencing as everything beautiful and Vivek says when we close the eyes where is my location it is just existence in existence there is no location time form and I'll just say this about the location existence presence or moving existence or you know like locality do you actually can you actually point about the locality of the existence in any other ways that here where are you located it is here when you want to conceive of the country or the part of the continent or the city or the address that takes a lot of thinking but in direct experience the only thing you can ever say about the location is it is here it is right here it is right now but does it actually locate it anywhere so whether someone says oh yeah I don't have sense location I do have sense location here but here means nothing it is just a pointer so that is that and I love the way Biu pointed out that sense of location may arise or not but it doesn't make any difference the experiencing goes on all the time within that experiencing the perceptions arise the sense of location arises the concepts arise the sounds arise but the sense of being that field of knowing that open field of awareness that one never changes even in the sleep in the sleep during the dream the field is there if there is nothing showing up on that field then the field can't be consciously known because it needs the opposite sometimes sometimes the dream appears on that on that field of knowing and in the dream you will have different body that will be climbing the mountains and going through the cities not the body that is lying on bed sleeping but different body the body on the bed has eyes closed it can't see but the body in the dream can see everything has the eyes open is talking while the body on the bed doesn't speak so this even that even that type of a dream arises in the field of knowing where is your location then when you're in the dream and let's say you are riding on a boat or you're driving a car the location is always here although relative location will be oh I was in another place or another city I was visiting my family or whatever but it is just a temporary arising phenomena just like every thought shape or image in the mind they are when you see they are totally beautiful and mind blowing they not they don't have to bound they don't have to be a source of suffering and there is no expectation for the dreaming to stop that's why who was it was it Leo Hartog that says you awaken to the dream not from the dream that's it from the dream awakening from the dream is when the body drops off there is no dreaming anymore the body mind is a dream projector it keeps projecting dreams that's its function and it will it won't cease even when you get the brain damage or Alzheimer's disease it will you know scramble dreams it will still produce or you're on psychedelic dreams will be a little bit more colorful scramble but it still projects the dreams the awakening to the fact that the dreaming is going on doesn't happen to the person it is that field of knowing suddenly just relaxing and being that field of knowing and watching the dreams happening within it the dreams will continue the body dies you're a corpse where's the life then decomposing you can't show you the body then nobody's saying but is that the end of it well the germs the microbes the bacteria start to devour that body and eat it it's given life to other things but you're not the body you never were yeah seeming what we call life that's in the body that's just that pure functioning vibrating intelligence that vibrates and patterns and all those different shapes speak up that's it that's it thanks vivek says what is the location of water in the ocean and that's a good question also what is not you know like what am I not what is not a location it's really just it's really that investigation using the mind using the thought is only designed to just put you in front of the wall and drop drop that whole line of thinking drop into that that field before beyond the thought whatever works am I that or that am I or it am I or whatever whatever the line of thinking is whatever works to actually just drop from that head space into that relaxed natural state it thanks everyone thanks Bob if we are life and then we die then what is life life is that vibrating life essence that's pattern shapes and forms everything's intelligence energy just a seeming subtle somewhat of a movement but it's no it's all no thing no shape or no fault all just a seeming appearance vibrates into seeming patterns shapes and forms but no thing has ever happened not a vacuum or a void but no thing you and I and everything else the appearances are all things all appearing in space which is no thing but can something come from no thing so though it appears and seems to be so it is not so it never was it's an imagined or imagined in we imagine things things appear like you look in a mirror you see an image in the mirror you can't say it's not there but go and try and grab the image out of the mirror can you it seems to be there but when you investigate there's nothing there only appearance the expression intelligence energy for me was just so so helpful to describe what life is is which intelligence energy you know you said it I'm just kind of restating what you just said so you know I'm I'm being redundant but yeah just this you know this what you said about intelligence energy you know it's an ing you know it's this being okay life is ing it's not a thing it's lifing okay it's a movement of energy but more specifically an intelligence energy not knowing one plus one is two but it's knowing that to I don't know it's a knowing of knowing it's a knowing of being it's a movement and when I saw my dad my father's dead body wow that was like something I'd never seen without that life you know it was like I could see well that's not him you know that's not him something's not home that's not him and I just felt when I saw that wow you know if you can't if you don't have access to a human corpse ever go to a farm and notice a chicken on the farm and then go to the grocery store and you tell me if there's a difference you know there is there is when I saw that it was just like wow that's like 100% proof that I'm not this body that he's not that body that there's there's a body you know something's missing what's missing energy obviously it was still as still could be you know what I mean it was like nothing moving no movement maybe maggot might have been moving in there but no movement it was it was yeah Bob yeah Intelligensity the activity of knowing have a look at this all the patterns appearing in this room they're not haphazardous or just random things they're all patterns full of intelligence the way they pattern shape and form applies their views with intelligence and intelligence is an activity not something that's happening right now and any activity activity or movement is energy so it's all this manifestation is intelligence energy vibrating into different patterns shapes and forms not willy nilly accidental or happening could happen if it didn't it wasn't suffused with intelligence what would these bodies be like what would you couldn't say anything at all about it and that's beautiful because I wanted actually to close that gap because when we say you are not the body that's not entirely true because that creates duality I'm the life but not this you know there's two now and what Bob just pointed out there is no duality the life that you are created the trees the bodies the thoughts all of it is made of the same life vibrating into different shapes forms this pointer and Nisargadatta used that pointer and it actually really helped Bob you are not the body you are not the mind but it isn't entirely true it is only designed to shift the persistent identity with the body mind once that persistent identity is shifted the body and mind is all included because I am no thing with the potential of everything as that potential the energy I am the body and the mind and your body and your and your and tree and clouds all of it there is no duality in it but it is a good pointer it's the thinking or just the thoughts so you just have energy and you just are I mean that really is the only thing that divides anything it's just it's well a believed in thought I mean we can have a thought I say xie xie and you don't know what I'm saying I do yes thank you in Chinese I just have a quick word one thing that really helps me is that I see how I create everything you know I come out of deep sleep out of nothing into something and everything comes from my concept from my beliefs beliefs from my creation of the world you know I create everybody here sorry you don't exist you know I'm the creator and then at night time again you're gone I'm gone and that's the oneness that I see very clearly beautiful when you say I you say I life not I the imagined entity beautiful yeah yeah we were talking a bit about location a bit earlier and you know life is everywhere Bob Bob was saying when this body dies that life goes on life goes on you know there were lots of bacteria and maggots and all sorts of things but life is everywhere the air is full of life you know it's and life is ubiquitous it's everywhere it's non-local and what what and this and this mind if you like this idea it wants to be be unique it wants to be special and and and and it wants to think that life is something that is uniquely mine and it isn't life is and and and just make sure about this all this is this is it's it's prior to thought so whatever you say whatever you say is not it exactly you know what you're not that's it in a nutshell wherever I go there I am I was relaxing into the field of awareness during the week last week and I sideswiped a Toyota Corolla I hit the front corner of a Toyota Corolla I lost I had lost all sense of location as far the outside of the van I was driving well that was bad enough but there were about four or five incidents happened within 24 hours the same same thing so it was life trying to teach this persona something but another time it was just driving through a lane in a underground car park and I'm just driving through in the field of awareness and bang I hit the left hand rear vision mirror side mirror of another car on the right but this time it didn't do much damage apart from knocking the mirror but the woman inside the car she must have known that this person next to her was resting in the field of awareness and she loudly blew her horn so I quickly got out and inspected the damage and talked to her and she said oh it seems to be alright and we pushed the mirror back and disorientation had taken anyway anyone who'd like a lift to Sophia there was a couple of people that wanted to speak here you James and Jason there was a few people that wanted to speak yeah can you tell you one there's a James hello I guess like firstly the sparking of thoughts it's like this little chain reaction in the room it's really incredible to watch I feel like everyone always wants to speak all at once and that's really interesting it's like we're interacting on this level of I guess consciousness interacting with itself and it's like bang bang me me me let's all talk and I like that but I guess who you ask like if you ask a Christian life is God or Holy Spirit if you ask a yogi it might be yin and yang you know like Shakti Shiva masculine feminine life force energy Holy Spirit I don't know how Allah God Jesus Christ consciousness all of it is life but yeah it all seems so grand like all of those words yeah but yeah I don't know I think it's super simple it's so simple yeah beautiful I forgot where I was going but that's perfect yeah grandiosity of those expressions versus simplicity of direct experience yeah and that they're all pointing to the same thing yeah every way is a good way yeah every way is a good way yeah that's right yeah just such a great question what is life I think this is the challenge of pointing to the non-dual but in a dualistic framework which is words right because life is the opposite of death they're mutually exclusive so but what is birthless and deathless and that is it just is and it's right here right now so we can say that there's only life but you know they're really just isness and even the concept of life is the opposite of death that's still in a dualistic framework so seeing what's here is birthless and deathless beyond opposites exactly beautiful I remember where I was going I had a little bit more okay I remembered the last part so we've got Bob's cards that Kat made which are really like lovely and one of them I think it's been here no don't look for it here you go only $50.99 postage included one of them talks about or it says are you the computer program or the the energy or the electricity that powers the program and that one really resonated when I read that it was like this program like the brain and it's programming and you know it's big inertia the power behind that program like it exists infinitely and that I don't know I read it and it really yeah it really kind of sparked a deep train of yeah yeah that's the resignation and we have a person here I think it's Gioti who says another way to think about this is electric energy flowing through different appliances toaster doesn't need to merge with the cable it is the same energy flowing through and I use that metaphor a lot as well because it's just such a clear metaphor you could also use the sunlight giving life but energy Bob uses the power that is in the computer and then you have all those things popping up on the screen without the power it would be nothing yeah it's it's it's it's a metaphor but it's really good metaphor because it kind of yeah resonates thank you for bringing it up Jason did you want to I love what you said before whatever that was I can't remember no the guy with the blue I want you guys to contemplate a word concurrence throw out non-duality add in concurrence so that everything that's nothing the infinite hugely expanding exploding space that's infinitesimally small sparkling non-sparkle noumenon I'm surprised you didn't say it Bob the noumenon what's before phenomenon the noumenon if you are concurrently aware as that then time does exist body does exist ego does exist and I will go as far to say that whatever it is in here that gives you the perceptual capacity to focus with your volitional attention means you can be concurrently aware as and time that's the way to trip the mind to use a lot of scientific words so nobody can follow and then the mind stops I use new words on purpose what's the definition of noumenon noumenon google it google actually gives actually first time ever I used AI unmanifested unmanifested yeah even in its unicity can't know itself that's phenomenon yeah so Bob often uses the definition of phenomenon which is that which appears to be phenomenon is the appearance phenomenon it doesn't even appear it doesn't appear it doesn't underlies it's a field for the phenomenon phenomena to appear it's the field of potentiality the void is the other word that people might understand do you want to say I don't know if I've really got a comment or anything I just love Bob Spiel this morning just the firmness of it just the real directness there's no grey areas or you know trap doors it's like this is a direct you know investigation and not to sort of be too lazy with it like pointing it and actually investigating these direct pointings it's just so firm and so confident and just comes from that place of a deeper place where it's like it feels truth and then something in here recognises that and yeah like Bob says the truth will set you free yeah so it feels like there is just this light coursing through the physical body and that energy is just observing it's not really passing comment on something or making a judgement about something I mean those might come up but it's like there's an observation without putting a story on it and a concept on what's going on it's just observing and not even a witness I think that the trick is the misidentification anything that comes and goes is if I if there's an attachment to anything that's coming and going the identification with that even like a witness even anything like that needs to be recognised and not identified with and returning to the space that's the big thing I think it's like you keep going off into this stuff that can take down a rabbit hole and it's like then coming back recognising that's not what I am and that's moving and going and returning to that so yeah thanks beautiful not going down to the rabbit hole I have a couple of comments from online community and this is Martin he says the thought I am is because of that without that there is no I am take a look what enables the thought I am to appear good point yes and Bill says wanting to know who you are requires you to let go of who you imagined yourself to be beautiful thank you Julia did you want to just say one thing I've said in other meetings before but it was helpful when I mentioned my dad's death that was something I had to process what helped more than anything was when I caught myself missing him or feeling sad and all that it really helped just to ask can I find where we're separate without a thought you know because that then I'm back to yeah it was really helpful that said it's getting close to that time I just wanted to mention that tomorrow if anyone wants to do this again we'll be on zoom keep an eye on the clock 930 a.m.

Melbourne time and all the details are on Bob's website yeah thank you and for all the details altogether there are other zoom meetings in the evening Tuesdays and Thursdays yeah refer to the website there's information about the books and cards and everything you'll find a lot there there's email of Bob and way to contact him as well thank you thank you thanks everyone