Sailor Bob and ND team. Mind trying to fix the mind. 20/08/2023

I am a Spanish teacher. Linda. Peter. Catherine. Paul. Tony. Tegel. Peter. Carl. Anita. Michael. Benahiga. Josh. Julia. James. Diane. Julia. Joseph. June. Dean. Gary. And you shall wake up. I have your own thing. Well, good to see you all. Welcome you all. Good to see you, Bob. It's an amazing thing to do. Just watch this room. A couple of hours ago it was empty. It's gradually filled up. It was filled up with a lot of warmth, a lot of love, and a sense of wellbeing. How did it change? Well, don't you realise that you must have brought it here? Not every one of us have a good sense of self-worth when we first come here.

But recognising and understanding your true nature, that will change. And that's what tends to happen here. And there's no one that's personal doing. Because when you look at it, there is no person. And that's the thing we need to understand. Because we've all got that belief, which seems to be the natural in the human idea, that we're separate entities. We're individuals. We're persons. And we need to become godlike, or realised, or liberated, or whatever labels they put on it. And we ignore the fact that they say clearly, that there is only that. That's the great mantra. That is all there is. And we know that innately.

You know that because you say, that's the chair I'm sitting in. That's the room the chair's in. That's the tree. That's the flower. That's the bird. That's the tree. Everything is that. Everything is that. But we discriminate it with the words we've learnt. And that's the thing we need to look at. Recognise that it is the one essence that's patterns, shapes and forms. And experience expresses as everything. And that's the one essence that's patterns, shapes and forms. And that's what non-duality is. One without a second. Not two. And it appears to be other than that. That's why they call it in the scriptures a phenomenal manifestation.

The definition of phenomena is that which appears to be. So though we're all seeming separate, individual, person, it is still that one life. That's one essence, one intelligence, entity, or if you like to use the term, one god. That's expressing through each and every pattern. And you, I, and everything else is that. Don't forget it. And that's what they tell us in the scriptures again. They call it ignorance. When you hear that term, you think, oh, I'm dull, I'm stupid, I can't grasp it. But it doesn't mean that at all. Just it simply means that we turned our back on it. It's there before our very eyes right now.

But we are ignoring it. We take on this belief. Everybody around us got this idea. We are individuals, separate entities, persons, and keep reinforcing it. And it's people like you that question it and look into it, see through it, recognise, re-cognise it, and are able to pass it on. And that's how it's happened for thousands of years. In the old days when there were very few, passed by word of mouth, very few could hear it. There weren't many in the village who would be interested in it, pass it on to one another. But now, with the ways of communicating, if anybody's keen enough, it's open for everybody.

And it's up to each and every one of us. Well, it wouldn't be here if the urge wasn't there. There was something more to look at than what we've been looking at. And away from the old traditions where you're a sinner, you're unhappy and you'd be punished and beaten, and all these things will happen to you if you don't believe in this higher power. But all these concepts. And we do all sorts of things to get out of it. Not recognising that that is all there is, and I am that. Is there any one of us here that doesn't say, I am? Each and every one of us knows, I am.

What's I am? We think it's the thought, most of us. Think we are this thought, I am. I am so and so. I am that. And the Saga that tells you to stay with the I am-ness. And people think, oh, I've got to repeat the word used as a mantra. But it's not that at all. The I am is the sense of presence. Anyone who is not present right now, and knowing that you are, how would you express that? We express it in the old way, and say, I am Bill, or I am Jane, or I am Harry, whatever your name might be. But looking at it fresh in you, you'll say, if that is all there is, it's only that, it's one without a second, it is non-dual, there's only one thing I can do.

And that is that. And that is that. Full stop. End of sentence. That's a good one. End of sentence. We sentence to this life of belief. That we are individuals, persons. And then that sentence now, by what if it is that one without a second? It must mean that it is absolute. Absolute, total. Everything is that. And you can't go around saying you're the absolute, or, they'll put you in a funny farm. They'll put you in a funny farm. But know the truth. And that's another thing they keep telling you. Know the truth. And it's the truth that sets you free. And that's what needs to happen.

To recognize and know that I am. What am I going to be free from? Free from the belief that I'm a separate entity. That I'm an individual. A person. Where does the word person come from? Doesn't it come from the ancient Latin language? Persona. The mask. So I've got this conceptual image. This mask of concepts. I'm Bob the Australian. The good fella or not so good. Having a bad trot. People are dirty on me or I don't like this. And all the other concepts that are added to it. And form this conceptual image. Which is not the truth. But the belief in it. Because everybody around me is doing the same thing.

And it's easily caught up in it. But when I investigate. They say the false cannot stand up to investigation. If you see the false as false. You can only be left with truth. Because the Shakespearean. So, I'm a first and a second. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. A first. High, that's low. This is present. That's far. Near or far. High, low, good, bad. That's how the mind functions. Dualistically, in the pairs of opposites. Words. All words. What does it tell you in the Bible?

In the beginning was the Word. That's where it all starts. With the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God. That's all that God is. A label we put on something that we don't know, we sense, but do not know. All things were made by Him, by the Word. And isn't that right? Everything in this room you've got words for. There was nothing made without the Word. So we've got these words and believe in the Word. But have a look. Is the Word the thing? Well try and drink the Word water. Try and swim in it. Wash in it. Drown it if you get.

You can't do any of those things with the Word. The Word the word fire. Cook with it. Eat yourself with it. Burn your mouth. You can't. Now what's this word I or me that we've taken on board? Isn't it a conceptual image? I am Bob. I am so and so. And when, how many words was I born with? How many words were you born with? When you look into it, people say, I remember your birth. How could you remember your birth if you had no words? And none of us had words. We were about two, two and a half. Some earlier, some later. It all depends on what the intelligence is, suffusing that pattern.

But every word we've ever spoken or ever likely to speak has been learnt. But remember, if you were a couple of years old before you learnt words, you must be prior to the words. Now what are words? Sound. What's sound? Vibration. What's vibration? The movement of energy. All these words are vibrating patterns of energy. And the words are not the real. So, need to investigate. What does that word represent? I am. Somebody asks you who you are, you'll say, I am so-so. Well, didn't your parents tell you, give you that name? I am Bill or I am Jane or I am so-and-so. We never questioned it.

Take it to be real. And so we carried on. I am Bill. Bill is this and that and all the concepts that go with it. Never looked at it. Never looked at it. Never looked at it. Never looked at once looking beyond it. And so we stay stuck in that. And the stories start. We had more words, more concepts, more ideas. But what does that I am really represent? It's not going to stay with the I am-ness. And we must take that too. We think, oh, that's the mantra. I've got to repeat. I am, I am, I am. That's not it. That I am represents the sense of presence.

And knowing that you are. Is there anyone sitting here right now is not aware of being present? Is there anyone for that matter of fact unaware? You realise, no, I am aware. And that's how it's described. What we talk about Advaita, non-duality. Sat Chit Ananda. Nama Rupa. Sat is existence. Chit consciousness. Ananda is loving to be. Nama Rupa is body, mind, name and form. Anyone who is not existing right now. And you say, of course I am existing. I know it. Anyone who is unaware? And you realise, no, I am aware. Anyone who is not happy to be. Nobody wants to be dead right now.

It's not that bad yet, is it? You want to be dead. You want to be dead. Might come on later on if you're locked into the sicknesses or whatever. But no. So you see, you are existing. You are conscious. You're not unaware. You're happy to be. You are such. We are also untoward. It's not you. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is.

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The sense of presence, not the thought that I am this or I am that. Realising, as what they say, it's absolute. One without a second, not two. What can be added to absolute? You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to work that out. Nothing, if it's absolute, nothing at all can be added to it, wouldn't be absolute. Add the smallest thing to it, if you think it needs it, it wouldn't be absolute, would it? What can you take away from it? The same thing. Can't add anything, can't take anything away from it. That is all there is. Now forget all that, that you are absolute.

Is there anyone or anything that could ever be superior to you? Is there anyone or anything that could be inferior to you? And what would you want from anybody else, if you are absolute? It's all available to you. It's all there. And wouldn't it take a lot of the hassle, drama and problems we've got in everyday life? Don't like this one or that one or this thing or that thing or something other? Dividing, conceptualising all the time. Locked in these concepts, mind stuff. Mind. What is mind? We claim it as my mind, my body. Who is this me that's claiming it? Isn't this conceptual image, the belief of what our parents told us?

I am Bob, the Australian, the good fella. Is that the me or the mind? That's what it's believed to be. Because it was never investigated, never looked at. And while that belief was there. Well, it needs to acquire something. It needs to seemingly become something. Because it knows that's not good enough. And so the story goes. We create all sorts of stories, all sorts of conceptual images, set them up there and believe them to be real. Not recognising that it's all objective knowledge. It's not what's going on. It's all about something else we're thinking about. Lose sight of the reality of it. Trying to become something that we're not.

And have a look at that word become. Doesn't becoming imply a future time. And I don't say you're being, knowing and becoming. I tell you, you are being, knowing and loving to be. Being is not becoming. Becoming implies a future time. But being is happening right now. Anyone who is not being right now. It's not what was it. It's not what will be. It's happening in this immediacy. Breathing, breathing, seeing, tasting, tasting, smelling, feeling. It's all being going on in this immediacy. And we call ourselves human beings. We put that label human on ourselves. And of course, then we've got this concept of God. And of course, then we've got this concept of God that's been put around.

This concept of God is a supreme being. It's a greater being than you or I. It knows more. We've got to bow down and pray to God that it's going to do this and give us this and do this. But if there is only being, everything is being. That's being a chair sitting in. That's being the carpet on the floor. That's being the space in the floor. That's being the space in the room. That's being the trees. That's being the flowers. Everything is being. Not becoming. And everything is knowing. Anyone who is not knowing right now. You'll say, I know. Because the knowing is happening right now.

It's not was-ing. I will know. Or I might know. But it's know-ing. I-N-G. Being, knowing, and loving to be. It's happening in this immediacy. It's not so. When you look at it in that light. Is there anyone that's got away from it? Anyone that has never been? We've taken on all these beliefs. That we're this, that and the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other. And the other.

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And the other. And the other. And And we follow those story lines but it doesn't work out the way they said it was. But what are you without the story, without the word? As Way by Way tells you, why are you unhappy? Because everything you say, everything you think and everything you do is for yourself. And there isn't one. There is no personal self. The person is not reality. If you look into I am that, I think it's the third chapter of the book, I am that. The title of the chapter is, the person is not reality. The persona comes from the word persona, the mask.

The mask is a conceptual image we've got, we believe ourselves to be. And the sacred had told you, there is only life. Life is all there is. There is nobody who lives alive. None of these bodies in this room are living the life. It's the life that's living and expressing as and through these bodies. And that's what Christ told you. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. People thought he was talking about himself. He wasn't talking about himself. He was talking about that sense of presence, which is available to each and every one of us. That sense of presence. I am.

Follow that. That I am-ness. And knowing that you are is the way. It's the truth. It's the life. And he goes, no one can come to the Father except through me. Except through the I am. The sense of presence. The Father is the light. The light of life. Are you this body? Are you this mind? We believe we are the body mind until it's questioned. And don't we say my body? My mind? Don't you say my house? My car? My coat? You know you're not the house. You're not the car. You're not the coat. Or maybe you mightn't be the body either if you have a look.

And when you do question and have a look, you see you're not the body. What's this body made up of? Investigate. Because they tell you the false cannot stand up to investigation. It's a statement they made. Investigate the false. The false cannot stand up to investigate. And if you see the false as false, what are you left with? You must be left with truth. True and false. So investigate the body. My body. You say my house, my car, my coat. You know you're not the house. You know you're not the car. You're not the coat. Well by the same token maybe you're not the body either.

So you're not the body. And when you look into a little bit, you see that's right. I'm not this body. What's this body made up of? This body is made of elements. Air. Aren't I sucking in air right now and blowing it out again? Water. Aren't I drinking water? drinking water, fire, temperature, the body temperature, space, made up of elements. Just like the elements around me, there's air around me, the space around me, fire, heat, all these elements around me, and they're forming and patterning this shape and forming the skull of the body. All those elements can be broken down to subatomic particles, into pure energy.

All this body is a vibrating pattern of energy, just like the rest of the manifestation. It's only vibrating patterns of energy that are shaping and forming intelligence. It's intelligence energy, it's not a higgledy-diggly spontaneous, it's an intelligence manifestation. The trees, the flowers, the birds, the animals, human beings implies it's suffused with intelligence. And that intelligence is energy. Energy is activity, a movement. And isn't that with you right now, the activity of knowing? Not what was known or what will be known, but you're knowing right now. You are hearing right now. You are seeing, tasting, touching, smelling, feeling. Anybody who's not doing that? Well, then nobody is doing it, but isn't it happening that way?

It's just a natural happening. Just like here, it's daylight. What's that mean? It means that the earth is rolling around the sun. And we know that. Rolling around the sun. This end is facing towards the sun, so it's light. The other end of the earth is in darkness because it's facing away. But they're not two things, day and night. Two ways of expressing. So the earth keeps rolling around and this end will be facing towards the sun shortly. It'll be darkness or whatever it is. I've got it round the wrong way. But it doesn't matter. You understand what I'm talking about. Whichever way is facing towards the sun, it'll be light and it'll be dark.

The earth doesn't know anything about darkness or light. Darkness or light doesn't know anything about darkness or light either. We get all these concepts in our head and divide them with the word. And suffer accordingly because we believe in the word. That's another thing to look at. Belief. We've got so many beliefs. And they tell you again in the scriptures, belief is not the actual. It's not the reality. And have a look at it. Look at your dictionary definition of belief. An unquestioned acceptance of something in the absence of reason. Acceptance of an alleged fact. We told it so and so. We told it we're human forms.

Well we believed it. An alleged fact. Without positive knowledge or proof. So wouldn't it be wise to put your beliefs to the test and see for yourself. And recognize and know the truth. See what you are. Don't you realize that it's going to take away a lot of the hassle. It's going to spend the fear. The anxiety. The stress. The guilt. The shame. How does it work? It's all transient. Look in the concept of time. Being. Is not becoming. We think we need to become something. But becoming implies a future time. Was-ing is what was. Becoming a future. But. Have a look at time. Question.

Is there a past if I don't think about it? Well to do that you've got to have a look. See what's there without a thought. No thought going on. I can't say there's past. Or future. Present or painful. Can't say anything at all. It just as it is. Appears to be. Doesn't last very long before the next thought. Will come up spontaneously naturally. In that way. But you get the taste of it. And realise. That prior to the thought. Those first couple of years of your life. When you had no thought. You were living. You were growing. Where did you come from? And look at what was the saga that it says.

There is only life. That is all there is. There's nobody who lives on life. Life lives on life. Out of life more life comes. Where did you come from? You realise you came from the life of your parents. That undermining life essence of pattern shaped. Formed your father. Enabled in that pattern of little microscopic particle. Called a sperm to form. You can't see with your naked eye. Just a blob of goo. But it was suffused with intelligence energy. It knew what to do. The same life in your mother. And they formed another microscope called an egg. Or an ovum to form. That ovum was suffused with intelligence.

It knew what to do. It attached itself to the wall of the uterus. It wasn't a blob just floating around accidentally. It attached itself to the wall of the uterus. Knowing what to do. And the sperm suffused with that intelligence. Swem to the ovum. Implying it was suffused with intelligence. And the sperm suffused with intelligence. When those two came together. That soul doubled. Redoubled again. Formed the little embryo. That little embryo grew. And it is what you are today. What were you doing about it then? And what are you doing about it now? See what's happening. See what's occurring. See how much this believed in entity.

Has anything to do with it. This me. This I. You see it's a spontaneous. Natural functioning. And as Christ said. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. He was talking about that sense of presence. The I am-ness. Not talking about himself. But that same sense of presence as you. That's the way. That's the truth. That's the life. Be what you are. Not what you believe to be. Or think you are to be. Takes just a little bit of questioning. And the false cannot stand up to investigation. See it. And know the truth. The truth sets you free. Something comes up.

Realises it's all transient. I mean by that it's constantly changing. This. Look at time. See the time is a concept also. Is there a past if I don't think about it? You'll say I was in the past. Well I'll say try and live a moment ago. Try and live yesterday. You realise you can't go back and live yesterday. Or a moment ago. You can recall it. Not all of it. But some of it. You'll recall it. And the only actuality you're giving that is when you're recalling it right now. Because you can't tell me a thing about yesterday now. Unless you're recalling it. And you can't recall it.

And you can't recall all of it. And you can't recall all of it. So the past. is just a concept. The past. It's not the reality. A few of the years. A few of the years. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. And the past. A fact. and the past. is a new. Because you can't tell me a thing about yesterday, now, unless you're recalling it.

And you can't recall all of it. So the past is just a concept. It's not the reality. The future. Well, can you live in the next five minutes? You can't. You can anticipate and imagine the future. But you can't live a moment in the future. And when are you anticipating and managing the future? Right now. When are you imagining the past? Right now. How long does this right now last? And you'll see it's spontaneous. It's transient. It doesn't stay around very long. It's constantly changing. It's constantly transient. So you recognize time's a mental concept. So you're not bound in the concept of time anymore. You're free of that belief.

And a lot of these erroneous beliefs we've had, we've suffered from, they disappear. And the Saga data again tells you, nothing can trouble you. And he means exactly that. And when you look into it, you'll see it's so. Nothing at all can ever trouble you, except in your own imagination. Imagine. Imagine. Break that word imagination down to imagine or image in. That's what imagine is. Imaging in. Means we're creating conceptual or mental images. Taking them to be real and suffering accordingly from that belief, which is not the truth. See how it works. Something comes up and you like it. I want to keep this thing, this good thing that comes up.

We want the things we like to stay. Not realizing that everything is transient. It's going to change. We don't want this to change. We want to stay with it. Not realizing no matter how much we struggle, trying to keep it there, it's going to change. But we do struggle trying to keep it there, so that means we're resisting it. And if you're resisting something, you're in conflict. You're at war with it. Because resistance is conflict. And we fight with it, trying to get rid of it. Something comes up, which is something that I don't like or I shouldn't be thinking this is a bad thought.

I've got to get rid of it. So what do we do? We resist that from being there also. We try to push it out. Again resistance. Resistance is conflict. So we're in conflict with ourselves constantly. Good and bad, pleasant, painful, happy sad. All conflict. Conflict makes you uneasy. Dis-ease is another word for uneasiness. Unhappy. Fearful, anxious, depressed. All this psychological suffering comes about because of this resistance that's going on. Instead of leaving things as they are, we're trying to fix it with a concept, an idea or an image. So we need to look at that and see. And see that me, the me that takes aboard these beliefs that I'm anxious, I'm fearful, I'm unhappy, I'm depressed.

That conceptual me is the cause of all my psychological suffering. It's only me that can be unhappy. Only me can be fearful, anxious, depressed, guilty, full of shame, anger. Me is the cause of all this psychological problems. And they are the effects of the cause me. Cause and effect. Isn't that what they call karma? Cause and effect. My karma is such and such. We're locked into that term and idea. You've got the belief in it. But what happens if you investigate that? And ask yourself the simple question. Can there be an effect if you're not relating to a cause? You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to work that out, do you?

If you're not relating to a cause, no relationship, what is it? It's not divided by the relationship, by the relativity. It's just as it is. And when you look at your thoughts, feelings and emotions, they're two sides of the one coin, two ends of the one stick. They're not divided at all. But we divide it conceptually and so live in this dualistic pattern and appearance, which is the cause of all our psychological suffering. Recognise that me is the cause of it all and investigate the me. What's the me? Me is a word I picked up, a concept, an idea. And the great perfection, they tell you clearly, is non-conceptual awareness.

They tell you that in Buddha. Is that awareness, anybody unaware right now? Immediately you say, no, I'm aware. What concepts are going on with it now? He's talking shit or this or that and the other going on. You put all sorts of concepts on that. But it's non-conceptual awareness. Just leave it as it is. And it must change of itself. Just like the sun keeps rolling around the earth. The earth keeps rolling around the sun, I should say. And so it changes, constantly transient. But it's still happening. Thoughts come up. Feelings come. Feelings go. Left as they are, they're not a problem. Some will be acted upon.

Some won't be. But they won't be as binding on you as they had been. In knowing the truth about them, it'll unfold naturally, effortlessly. Nothing can trouble you except your own imagination. We image in. We create conceptual or mental images. You look in the mirror, what do you see? You'll see, I see my face in the mirror. I see a reflection. Or I see an image in the mirror. You can't say, there's a mirror at the end of the room. Have a look. You can't say those images are not there. They're there all right, but go and try and grab one out of the mirror.

You can break the mirror and smash it to bits. You'll never grasp one of those images out of it. Because they're not there. They appear to be there, just like a dream. They appear to be so, but they are not so. Now when you recognise this manifestation as that which appears to be, let it appear. Let it do what it needs to do. But know the truth. Because that is the scriptural saying. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. And the only thing you need to be free from is the belief in all these concepts. Well that will do me for now.

Where's Kat gone? She was just... She there? She's back there. She's back there. She's back there. No. Well... If you've got any questions, don't hesitate to ask them. And the other thing, if you've got anything to say, a lot of you here have got a pretty good understanding of this. You've been going to it and knowing it. Well let it out. How do you think people are going to recognise or hear about it if they don't hear about it? That's how it was passed on many years ago from word to mouth. There'd be only a few in the village that know it. And be able to pass it on only to a few.

And it wouldn't be heard very well. And what would we do? We set up the people that pass it on as sages, saints, saviours and seers and worshipped the messenger. And ignored the message. The messenger is nothing. The message, the truth, is everything. Because that's what the call is. Know the truth. Know the truth. And it's that knowing of the truth where the freedom, peace and joy lies. And you are on, Catherine. So take over. If you've got questions, ask them. Or what you understand or know, tell us. Let it out. Because the way you say it might be a bit different to what it's said here.

And it's said in many different ways. Said in some other way it might resonate and be recognised there and help you. Thank you. Thank you, Rowan. Thanks, God. And we only have a couple of welcome messages. Anna Kelly saying hi to British Julia. Hello, beautiful de Julia, she says. I saw your beautiful face. It's another one coming into the message. We talk about it and, yeah, they hear other people will hear the message. So that's lovely. And, yeah, thank you for letting us be here today. It's an absolute pleasure to meet you in person. And all of you, actually. So many faces I've come to know over the last few years online.

But there's one thing, Bob, that you spoke about, you know, not resisting because we're in conflict with that which we resist. And I thought, you know, it's another thought that comes up to resist. That which you are doesn't resist anything at all. It's all accepted in love. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, beautiful. We also have Primalie who says great words changed my whole life. And I know there's a lot of people amongst this room, if not every one of us, whose life has been touched in one way or another by some of the pointers or even just Bob's presence. Share it. Tell us about it. Because whatever resonates, that's the main thing.

Just discard what doesn't and go with resonates because that's the innate knowing. And innately everyone knows that you exist. So whatever doesn't resonate is really just a matter of language, of translation. And if it doesn't resonate, it's obviously taken from mind to mind because it's only the mind that actually argue with things and prove things right or wrong. So that is just to be put aside because there is no possibility of understanding non-duality through the mind, which is the instrument for division. It's an instrument of translating the singular processing into dualistic. I do this. I think that I see that. So the mind is not the tool for the job.

It's not the tool for the job, but resonation, resonance with the message is there. Everyone was prior to words. Everyone was born into the world, even as a form without any language. So we all know it innately. If there is anything that resonates, just say it out loud for your own sake and for the sake of everyone in the room, because that will be again highlighting what is already ringing through. Anyone would like to start off? Julia, go for it. Thanks. Now, what's coming to mind is just something I've heard you say so many times about knowing the truth and the, well, no, dictionary definition of belief, of an unquestioned acceptance, of an alleged fact, in the absence of reason without positive knowledge or proof.

And then something you said today also. I'd heard, I used to go to these Course in Miracles lectures and I remember hearing them say, the only thing to be saved from is insane thoughts. More specifically, I think you nailed it today. When you're, when you, when you, I've heard you say it before as well, but the belief, it's really the belief that's, the thoughts can happen. But it's, a belief is the unquestioned, that's the only problem. You know, is there's a buying into it. This is, yeah. I don't know what else to say. Except that's just what's coming to mind right now is it's just, yesterday I was chatting with some people who were very attached to their beliefs.

They were willing to listen, you know, and I was saying this, but they were, we were talking about the topic of reincarnation. I think probably what's happening when you, if you, if you want to use that word reincarnation is there's a, a re-incarnate is you're buying into this body, the belief. That's what's happening, isn't it? It's a, if it's re, it's happening again. There's a believing again. Or we could also say there's a re-cognizing. So, again, we could cognize or go back to, I don't know if I'm, what the fuck I'm talking about, but this is just shit that's coming up. But, I just, I just love you and I just, yeah, I think it's just, the only issue is this, this belief.

You know? Appropriately labeled BS, huh? Anyway. I'll let you jump in. I was going to say, how can, how can a thought share something that you already have? You know, something, how could a thought give it to you? Yeah. Because what we're pointing at is something you already had, so. How could this thought somehow be taken in through the brain and, you know, taken as that? Mm-hmm. It's already, it's already there. Because it needs to be recognized. Yeah. It's putting your upright. Yeah. You can't miss it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just already happening right now. don't need a belief for that and just to continue on what British Julia was saying I think about the resistance we're so used to using the mind to fix something that's what we've been doing for so so long and then to kind of drop that habit of using the mind to change and try and modify and then fix the mind you see the limitation of it you're just using the mind to try and fix the mind which just keeps going around and around and never ends and the only way out of that is what you're pointing to is full stop but the habit, the habit of mind seems to not want to really immediately act on that because it's always gets in there so quickly and that's what I found here but then the relief of understanding that more and more you become more and more clear with that and seeing what the truth is what Marty was saying cuts through it all and to realise that it's just a never ending cycle that mind trying to fix the mind so it's the limitation trying to fix the limitation yeah thank you good beautiful oh Kat triggered something when she said you know to share you know what resonated well I just can't help thinking that when I first heard Bob speak many years ago there was something in him that was coming out that was resonating here and it was it was something I'd always had with me ever since I was very little and I'd never really heard anybody sort of talk and and ignite that resonance that had always been there and you know after years of searching and thinking I was finding things in certain places I heard this wonderful man speak and I felt like I was home the search was over the mind would kick back in with all this chatter and you know which is its nature with trying to figure out things and and then somebody told me that you know there's no answers in the mind and then Bob would speak again and oh you know it was just my heart was just resonating because it was always there as Marty said it's something we already know and we've been conditioned by family and society and to think we're separate to think we're you know in control you know I was a big control freak I was very analytical and all of a sudden someone spoke to my heart the heart or the presence within you know and so here I am nearly 40 years later still attracted to this beautiful man because something ignites here you know we can talk we can point we can you know but he's ignited home for me home to the place I never left yeah beautiful yeah in Bob's first book there are hundreds of pointers one is the word is not the thing you can't drink the word water you can write out the word water a thousand times or you can print it out on a computer a million times it will not become water you can't drink the word water and words don't have any being thoughts don't have any being and awareness is thought free for everybody what happens if you contemplate that awareness is thought free clarity clarity is not something that comes it's not a quantity that we acquire clarity already is you could say it's a universal property or existence so everything is clear and obvious and the person cannot become anything really it's just a mirage you can't drink the water in a mirage and if you look for the person you can't find it it's just a bundle of ideas images memories the me of memory seems to be the culprit the head of the library of memories and the me has preferences apparently it likes to remember some things and likes to forget other things but the me of memory is a fiction so being is already you call it absolute you can call it anything but the label is not it so there's no journey that we make from unreality to reality you know like the illusion of being a separate entity is not real there's nothing you have to do about it really does the real have to do anything about the unreal what could it do it has no need to even address the unreal the unreal will never become real so I think it's at the end of the first book what's wrong with right now if you don't think about it it says relax and be what you are in big letters and do you have a choice thank you yeah that was a beautiful smart little distinction I like that when the Gilbert says you know thought has no being or separate entity has no being which is a thought based obviously chair has no being life has nothing has being but it is being and the way Bob presents the reality he says this is being a chair this is being a Jane or this is being a feeling that this is being everything is being nothing has being being it's not a property that you can quantify and say this one has more being than this one has you know the feeling has more being than thought or the chair or nothing has being it's not a property but with the beautiful beautiful way you actually pointed it out everything is being the absolute is the pure beingness and that beingness expresses itself as a form the form of thought or the form of tree or the form of imagined self which is completely thought based or memory based but it is being the being appearing as you know like Bob often brings up this beautiful metaphor of a crystal and we have beautiful crystal chandeliers and we have crystals in the windows so it is a practical thing when the light which is transparent and clear and translucent and it's really not even you know you can't see it until it hits the crystal and it comes into being all the different colours all the rainbows we have the rainbows over the ceilings and the walls and we have countless pictures of people coming here for lunches and having the rainbows on their faces because that's what happens when the light heats the crystal even though the crystal is also translucent and there is no colours in the crystal that being light appears as all those different shapes and forms and this is I think just British Julia was saying just before the meeting started you know like the body is almost as if it is a crystal and the being which is the pure being knowing the Satchitananda hits that crystal and it comes into seeing hearing tasting touching smelling and thinking Julia pointed out in Buddhism thinking is just another way of expressing being seeing tasting touching smelling thinking this is what happens with the being that is complete filled of what is it that probability there is nothing there like being us until it is embodied and until it expresses as something it can't even you can't even say it is there it's neither there nor it isn't there it's nor neither it exists nor it doesn't exist it's just a potentiality but then that being comes and experiences itself as seeing hearing tasting touching smelling and within that seeing and thinking and within that seeing hearing tasting touching smelling and thinking the thinking capacity has the capacity to translate it into division into the dualistic dream now there is a sphere of thinking and within that sphere of thinking there is idea oh yeah there is a seer looking at the scene there is a thinker thinking the thought there is a controller controlling life within that fields of like let's say purple light or red light or green light like in the crystal you have all this light now suddenly there is the source and you know the light start somewhere and end somewhere that division and that division creates that magnificent beautiful dream that we can see true and the dream doesn't end when it is seen true the dream goes on but now you realize that you are that field of being seeing hearing tasting touching smelling rather than the little trapped me imagined little self that is confined into the body and that is condemned by the belief in the thinking that I am little I am limited I am separate I am not good enough suddenly now you can see within the thinking different thoughts positive thoughts negative thoughts pleasant thoughts painful thoughts judgmental thoughts whatever the thoughts they are just content of thinking and you are the whole thinking the whole field of awareness through the body expressing and experiencing as thinking or seeing feeling rather than something isolated separated what a different way of experiencing the dream suddenly that part of the dream which is translated and related to the me of memory me of the past is completely redundant is completely unnecessary if it's raining that's not personal it's not because God doesn't like me or because I had plants and they all go bananas if someone gives a look to someone else that's not about me either there is no me to relate or translate everything in there is just field of being and within that field of being that magnificent dream unfolds moment to moment fresh and new always different always amazing if it is seen and received in the impersonal manner because the moment judgment starts of course there is pain pleasure suffering or yeah whatever is the liberation a moment of bliss and then a moment of and then desires and the desires are personal I'm not this yet I want to become something future tomorrow or fear that comes with imagination and it all becomes believed and that is the nightmare the dream doesn't really have to be this way so there's just one thought that claims this entire space and that's I just the I claims this entire thing yeah do that and what's I the symbol of the figure one just the one and we have a comment from Bradley he says some personas ask the question in order to resist so the answer becomes the cause of their effect sadly that effect is an imagined separate me that's a good point yeah that's where the search leads thank you Bradley and Ram says the body and that's quote the body appears in the mind the mind appears in consciousness that's from Nisargadatta the image of the body attaches itself to the word me and forms this conceptual entity hence the term body mind entity can the word Barack Obama arise without an image the image of Barack Obama also arising yeah good point yeah look how the mind functions thank you Ram and JB says I love the point that Bob makes when quoting Nisargadatta there is only life there is nobody who lives life if I change my name my role in life or even gender I am exchanging labels for other labels but can see that without labels and concepts that me is illusion in absence of identification with labels or concepts that is only life beautiful the world's a crazy place isn't it magical display of all this craziness like recently last week I tried to well I've been trying to sell a block of land and part of the process has been to get an expedited diagram of sewage which doesn't even exist on the property that I'm trying to sell unbelievably stupid unbelievably so but yeah that's it the world is a crazy place and it's full of what we call phenomena what is a phenomenon anyway spontaneous eruption of a causeless timelessly free if you like to coin a phrase not my phrase but thing which is just occurring now this is what phenomena is is there any difference between any phenomena really no not really when we look at it everything arises in the same way doesn't it like a bodily sensations or ideas or concepts or perceptions arising and falling equally in the same way and nothing means anything in that sense but it's well there are no every attempt to find an answer here is an empty grasping at nothing and yet we know fundamentally that we are that this is all that's important not the machinations of the mind as to whether the world is a mad place or not place no emphasis on that at all and just know who you are it's actually a really brilliant thing to be able to do that to see that the world is a crazy place in general you know to see the evenness of things because that enables one then to just realise what's left over which is that and that's all thanks Bob thank you when you said nothing is everything everything is nothing too it's right true beautiful I have Tanya here asking a question how can I give some guidance to someone with an eating disorder that even though they see there is no separate self even after the use of therapy they are not free of the belief around food etc that still appears genuinely asking for a friend not myself answer that well what are they believing yeah she doesn't say it's just the beliefs around food well she questions that yeah question the beliefs around food why not when you were speaking I just thought I won't sing it but I'll just say the words of the song it's called on a clear day on a clear day rise and look around you and you'll see who you are on a clear day how it will astound you that the joy of your being out shines every star you are part of every mountain sea and shore you can see from far and near a world you never saw before so on a clear day on that clear day you can see forever forever forevermore clear day clear day is the key I was just going to comment again on believing you know and with regarding to food and all that because I remember once talking to you Bob and it just it's like a truth bomb that you gave me we were chatting about I guess it occurred to me that I was noticing that I couldn't believe that I could do something I don't believe I can do something like I couldn't believe I could control this habit of food choices and all that and you pointed something out that was just beautiful well you believe that you can't it was yeah I didn't notice that believing though you know it was it's helpful to one of the things I love about you in this community all that is somebody can point out when there's a believing that I'm not aware of you know what I mean so that's all yeah just talking about belief what I see the more that awareness is present we just standing talking beliefs to each other you know whenever any conversation is happening all it is is beliefs you know belief to belief to belief it's like what thanks I was just going to come back to Tanya's message there about the eating I mean if you stop giving power to any kind of belief around food and you just allow this apparatus to do what it wants to do then what wait and see although I have to show you something here is a cat and she has no beliefs whatsoever look at her look at her big belly so yes definitely question the beliefs but it may just happen the way it happens to her she just loves overeating she's got that tendency or not eating at all yeah I can't leave the food I can't because she won't come only when she's hungry she'll just keep eating for some reason I have absolutely no idea what happened how the body got conditioned this way whether something happened when she was a kitten I don't know we got them as an adult already so yes some of those situations there may be so deeply ingrained in the body that there may be no solution or who knows I mean sometimes the motivation comes the life brings up the motivation like when you think of the and we were talking about a couple of sessions we had with someone who struggled with other addictions not necessarily food addiction but addictions that are life-threatening drug addiction alcohol addiction well the food addiction is life-threatening too it's just a slower process of killing yourself with diabetes and stuff like this and they because of the non-dual message they struggled with the idea of joining a program one or the other program the 12-step program or something oh you know non-duality these programs they say that I have to follow that I have the power to follow that I'm in charge of following steps well wait a minute wait a minute if there is no you and life brings you to the program which rises the motivation which may be the breaking point for the desire to start dissolving why don't you get out of the way and see how life does it just let life do life if you find yourself being moved to a place which does whatever belly dancing or which does sex addiction support group whatever wherever the life moves you the idea to use non-duality to dispute it or to excuse it is really it's just a mind I've got a little sentence for that the old non-duality two-step yes yeah you know like people have come to me saying oh well if there's no me I don't have to do this that and the other I go well good luck with that you know because what you're doing is avoiding you're just avoiding you know and if it's like you say presented to you and you've moved to that direction well give it a go that's what the universe has put in your place you know yeah in your way thank God for it I say well thank the presence for it or pure intelligence energy for it we wouldn't have Bob or me without it yeah talking to you now I think enlightenment's impossible if you don't make your bed in the morning that's the first step isn't it Jordan Peterson I love it he's got a whole book about yeah I love making my bed make your bed yeah 12 steps to good life or whatever yeah my sponsor in the fellowship told me just make your bed perfectly every morning and your rest of your day will be a lot better absolutely doesn't always work it always works doesn't it rip yeah always works you know yeah I just wanted to keep talking about this belief thing um because probably a common belief for everyone here would be that you need to come to see Bob and Bob's going to give you something you know you really don't have to see anyone to get it or get what you're looking for you know it's a good one to see have you got other plans on at some point you're like alright but I need to go to Bob's I actually uh no I don't I don't need to go to Bob's so no that's what you're already that yeah yeah so that you can be you can be attracted to being in the company of truth yeah yeah I'm not saying I don't do it or do it but just recognising that sometimes that can be a what do you call a crutch yeah for people they have to they have to have Bob or they have to have this to be able to get that but they don't yeah that's right I just love being in the company of others on on the path to you know I had no choice I'm just here yeah absolutely no choice yeah yeah I had no choice I just wind up here I'm like how did I get here again but you are sitting in the chair talking Mr do you love that question what's the eye that's there's someone waiting go ahead sorry yeah did you want perfect it was funny with the you spoke about the patterns of the cat eating and can't stop and then Jane was saying something about a pattern I forgot which one it was and then for some reason I don't know why this thought came up when Bob was talking and I thought oh about relationships and so on and I realized a pattern of mine was fixing things and that's what I do for work and I realized with my friend I helped my friend and I was like there was that feeling and then she can go through relationship breakups and I try to help her with you know therapy whatever where I can see that the pattern's there and then I realized what I'm doing I'm fixing again and then I realized oh damn like shit like I always try to fix things doesn't matter if it's people or things or and I was like shit this is like and then I realized oh do I it always ends up for failure because then it's like oh I used then Bob's pointers to fix things or like other things I came experience to say things and which is probably a good thing but the question is then or do I want to be let's say living with someone always like fixing things like would it like just a question came up and and right now I was like working working working last week way too much fixing things basically and anyway that just came up and it's like I got more it seems to be more clear yeah see how you what the pattern is wrong yeah see how it is a habit you are not doing any of it it's just the body was conditioned to do the fixing yes I see how it happens how life is beating your heart and it's fixing through your hands and it's looking through your eyes you're not a doer of any of it there's nothing wrong nothing has to stop but even the recognition of the pattern already eases off the compulsion the reason why it came up because of the failure of the past relationship came up and then I was like why is it failing yeah because if you want to fix things and the fixing like with materials I can fix it to perfectionist but you can't do it with people so that seems to be a failure in the thought pattern and then the relationship cracks through it and it's like oh yeah of course and then I guess the learning will be leave it as it is yeah and then keep recognizing and then the next question is like if I leave it as it is what's the point dealing like see there's no relationship then like have a look have a look if you leave it as it is that light of consciousness already transformed things you know like even in quantum physics you have observer effect yeah you know whether you shoot one electron and it becomes a wave or it becomes a particle it depends on the expectation of the observer so now if you are that witnessing presence or witnessing consciousness the conscious attention is kind of embracing and basing that pattern see how it transforms the pattern already because certain amount of attention is withdrawn from the compulsion and is resting in the singularity of that space-like sky-like awareness that you are you're more kind of within your true nature observing the mechanical behaviors that were preconditioned and that already transforms the behaviors in certain way but if you really rest in that uncontrived singularity of being knowing you don't have an agenda for those patterns to be transformed you don't even want that compulsion to ease off no you're just you're just there for it you're just the reception the field of of receiving it as it is leaving it as it is yes so for me it was like today it was like realizing what is what actually what the pattern is doing like I got more clear about it and then there was another situation where I was loading up my work van and then someone had some bad energy about something and approached me because I parked too close to his car I wasn't too sure what it really was and I noticed straight away he was in conflict from himself already and then the thought came up should I engage now or shouldn't I because I thought there's nothing to do with me so once I recognized oh it's nothing to do with me I just attempt to ignore I literally pretended he wasn't there and then he stopped talking but then there wasn't any interaction either so there was like oh nothing to do with me I'm on again and do my thing and there is no relationship I mean that's just a concept anyway yeah and you can even notice how you know that translation that question that arises in the mind should I engage or shouldn't I engage you know there is some sort of uncertainty in the body and mind straight away make it a sentence with words so you just there is another opportunity to notice the way the mind functions that straight away something that is happening on the level of functioning become a narrative and now oh it seems like I can choose whether I can engage or I cannot engage the idea of a self creep in because it has I in that sentence in that narrative but there is no I there is just you know the feeling of kind of vacillation or indecisiveness on the level of functioning and then it will go one way or the other depending on the charge emotional charge but in the narrative it introduces the idea of I there is an I I will engage or I won't you can just see how brilliant is that game how brilliantly it actually brings about that imagined self into the picture as if it existed and it was real and it had a choice amazing isn't it yeah yeah it's amazing and I have a couple of things here Tanya says exactly British Julia this is what has been discovered here and now I pass it on to my friend and Leonie says thank you some wonderful pointers and truths I needed to hear just came across this live meeting accidentally beautiful no accident and hello beautiful cat thanks dad has no beliefs so helpful that was this cat this is CIP much gratitude to you all and Bob says greetings from Thailand and good morning this morning thank you for all the fingers pointing towards the moon Ram says that guy is German I can't help working and Leonie says the recognition of the pattern eases off the compulsion yes Bob what was mentioning Bob not a different Bob no no no before it's just a mouth there's no such thing as Bob just a mouth which the words come from yeah yeah a week ago we had a visit from Bob's relative Robert Adamson so I have a picture of two Robert Adamson sitting together and drinking coffee what is it duality that's duality duality yeah absolutely I knew it I knew it yeah that's Bob's brother's son who happens to have the same name what was that saying the biggest problem with communication is the belief that it took place that's all I've got to say oh yeah gosh I wish it had the mic with it that's yeah say it again nah so in the appearance of things you know in culture self-centeredness appears to have a very central place you know in the culture in the songs if you listen to the songs the popular songs they're quite often about me what about me it isn't fair I've had enough and I want my share I mean that was a massive hit so people can relate to that but yeah you start to you know when I was doing the Urban Guru Cafe podcast we decided to add music to it to give the brain a rest from words words words and so I became very acutely aware of songs and I might be in a shop buying a shirt or something and there's a song and it's like ah that song and I grab that song and do an edit and put it into the podcast and there are many many songs the culture has this seeming self-centeredness you know this illusion of being a separate entity or an independent piece of consciousness but consciousness is all there is it doesn't divide itself into parts it's like the whole one of the things I often say is if you take an orange and it's a whole orange you cut it in half you can't call it a whole orange anymore you can glue it back together with super glue but nobody's going to want the orange and the mind appears to divide the wholeness into many parts but it it actually doesn't it can't do that and just to recognize that awareness is thought free seems to be very significant but of course it's a concept until it's seen and recognized so and we can talk about it forever and nothing appears to happen because nothing is really happening so yeah say something another program we look at that tells us clearly selfishness self-centeredness self-willing what that we think is the problem it goes on to say above all we must be rid of the selfishness we must or it kills us belief in that separatism is the problem so simple unbelievable inconceivable JB says thanks for another great Sunday and Leonie says there is no accidents I intuitively understand but you can put it into words for me I mean yeah there is no accidents that's a beautiful idea that we are talking about which is really a description of reality and not just an idea non-duality everything is one everything is already just one field which is expressing experiencing us 10,000 things like different forms shapes patterns so if there is only one everything is already not even connected but one is just the appearance of one so for the accidents and even synchronicities and even the cause and effect you do have to believe that duality is real but if it is not if it is really just one so within that one the way the one unfolds and wink at you and blink and hugs and blows a kiss is what we call yeah we call synchronicity or we call destiny but it all kind of assumes that there is a division and connection while in the essence it is one division and connection is not necessary did you want to add something else on there and I think Julia had something to say did you when the mic was going back to Joseph you wanted to say how about Janie we didn't see you we didn't hear you forever and you not here that often there's nobody I don't think I have anything to add to what's already been said because everybody seems really clear and the only comment I would make is it's just heartening to see the level of understanding amongst the gathering here today and those who have been coming a bit longer maybe like Gilbert and that remember the arguments and the resistance and the well that's bullshit well what if about this you know and used to be a lot of that yeah and but the energy in the room today is just beautiful and maybe it's just everything coming to a wonderful completion and that's all I've got to say it's very hearty beautiful beautiful something quite unique about this room isn't there yeah I mean I've seen other people you know being paid money for it but I've never been to another room or whatever with so many people who can almost speak as well as you and it's also also it's also because we're welcome to speak in this room by Kat and Bob so thank you so much Kat and Bob thank you thank you for being here and thank you for sharing from the heart because that's that's what the mind cannot grasp and what this level like Jamie beautiful he said yes it's a beautiful level of clarity just because we are actually really connecting with that knowing that innate knowing and sharing from that perspective rather than arguing on a logical level which is exactly what makes Bob so happy when it happens yes and everyone here as well so thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thanks everyone I think so unless you want to add something no one more there's no accidents is it okay okay