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Morning everyone. Morning. Another day, talking about the same old stuff. It's all there is to talk about. One without a second. The non-dual, ever fresh, presence awareness. Presence awareness. Awareness is timeless. Can't say it begins anywhere, can't say it ends anywhere. And you are that. Everything is that. Patterning, shaping, forming, experiencing and expressing informs, patterns, shapes. The one essence, appearing and expressing, has everything. And that's what the non-duality we talk about is. Not two, not other. Only one. That. Which we understand already in our language. That's the chair, that's the table, that's the space, that's the room. That's the sun. That's you, that's me. Everything is that.
Which we discriminate with words. Labels. And the word is not the real. The description is not the described. The map is not the territory. And we don't. And that's how it is. So, if I am that, which the belief is there, the knowing is there, that I am. And I am is that. I'm not relating or referring to this body, mind, pattern that's appearing. I'm referring to the essence of that pattern. The that-ness of it. The that-ness. You can't say it is not. It is. And all patterns, shapes and forms are the is-ness. That is. Nothing other. Be as you are. Not as you will be or like to be or could be.
And the true is-ness. Is-ness. That you are. Has no shape. Has no form. Has no sounds. All these things appear or seem to be so in that. We take them to be. The is. The is-ness. We say, what is? It is this. It is that. But it's just that pure. What I call use for, might have a better term, intelligence energy. And I'm not talking about your intellects. I'm talking about intelligence energy. Talking about that same intelligence rolling the earth around the sun. Causing the tides to come and go. The galaxies to form. They implode, explode, volcanoes, oceans, islands, birds, insects, human beings. Everything is appearing.
When we label the appearance, separate it and describe it as separate things, and especially this pattern which is expressing through, which we call I am or me, we lose sight of the totality. We become this separate. This separate entity. This individual. This person. And with that sense of separation comes insecurity. Vulnerability. Because you look out there and you see these things that you can't say, this is what I am. This is me. If we don't know what it is, we're fearful, anxious about it, and unhappy. So we've got to put this discriminated label, trying to work it out. All our psychological problems come about from this capacity of thinking, reasoning, and relating.
Relationship is duality. Relative to. When they say it's not two. It's one without a second. They put that without a second. They put that without a second on, pointing out that there's not other. Nothing other. Who are the they that's pointing to this? We call it they because in the scheme of things, in the time, seeming time, it seems to be there were apparent entities or individuals who recognised themselves. And traditions were formed. And beliefs were formed. The they is still only that one. Changeless. Timeless. Spaceless. Non-dual. I am that. What's this I am? It's the sense of presence. When I learn the words I am.
But I relate it to something. Not realising it's the one essence. So I relate it to this body, mind pattern through which these words are expressing through. Words have been picked up and expressing through it. And I take it to be what I am. And seeing that that's an expression too. Just a pattern, shape and form. That seemingly appeared at what we call birth. But can you remember that birth? You can't. I don't remember anything till I was about two, two and a half, around that age somewhere. And even that now, what I remember then is very vague. But the same sense of presence that was there then is there now.
Yeah. And that is pure presence, awareness. Awareness or a knowingness. A knowingness of that. That which is the one essence. Patterning, shaping, forming, appearing and expressing as everything. Taken to believe it's a person. Person's just another word we've learnt. Another word. Another label. Coming from the ancient Latin, persona, the mask. It's not the reality. It's a mask. Or a conceptual image. An image. A reflection. It's like I told you, nothing can trouble you except your own imagination. Image in. Imagine. And have a look at it. Isn't that what we're doing? Creating conceptual mental images. Concepts are thoughts. Mental constructs. Ideas. Images. Sound. Vibration. Still that same intelligence energy that's pattern shaping, forming, all this wondrous, diverse manifestation.
Doesn't that imply it's suffused with the innate intelligence? A knowing. Suffusing it. Not something that's been learnt or required but a spontaneous intelligence. Yeah. A spontaneous intelligence. And that's the livingness. That's the life. That's the functioning. Separated. Seemingly now separated and divided into this little imagined persona or mask. And the persona or mask or the conceptual image doesn't realise or recognise its completeness or wholeness. And takes on some of these concepts. Ideas and images. I am Bob of the Australian. Good fella or not so good. I'm unhappy or I'm fearful or I'm joyous or I want this or I don't like that. All this psychological functioning that goes on now comes about because it's, the word is taken to be real.
It tells you in the Bible, in the beginning was the word. Means that there was no beginning for any of these so-called pattern, shapes and forms until the word came into it. It wasn't as far as I was concerned or you were concerned either because you had no beginning until you learnt the word. That's why you can't remember your birth. In the beginning was word and the word was God. The word was with God. The word was God. That's all that God is. Is another label we put on something on this innate intelligence energy or essence. To discriminate it to something different. We call it God.
All things were made by him. Meaning by the word. What the word is, is God. So well, and isn't that so? We put labels on everything out there. So there was nothing made that was made or is appearing without the word. And we've put, when the language, when learning of language, we put words on everything. Words on everything. Words on ourselves. I am this person. I am this individual. I am this separate entity. I live. I breathe. I do. The so-called I does all of these things. But can the I, the word, the thought, do anything at all? It can't. So that, doesn't that mean all these things are happening?
There must be something other than the word. It's another thing. It's enabling to happen. And they call it the dynamic energy of awareness. Not static. Dynamic. Constantly changing. Changing. Changing. Constantly appearing, seemingly so. Energy. The same energy that's rolling the earth around the sun. Causing the seasons to come and go. Imploding. The planets forming and exploding. It's beating your heart. It's breathing you. It's living you right now. That same dynamic energy. But we don't leave it as that. We add it onto this conceptual image, I. Now I believe I'm doing the living. I'm doing the breathing. I'm doing the heart beating. A conceptual image. Thinks it's doing any of these things.
So I take myself to be the reality. The actuality. Not reality. I am the reality. The essence. That is enabling these patterns to shape and form to appear. And it's the one essence. I am the absolute. It's absolutely doing these things. The great perfection. It's absolutely perfect. absolute right now, always was and always will be. And what display or appearance or expression could there be if it didn't vibrate through certain pattern shapes and forms or seem to and make them seem to be real. So I've taken this pattern shape and form, can't do much with eyes, so I've added onto it I'm Bob, with my parents' toy, the label, the name, and it's this body, this particular Bobby, it's not the same as the other pattern shapes or forms of bodies, and the vibrations that are going through it and vibrating into sounds, words, concepts, ideas, I label mine.
Mine. Mine with a V on the end of it. We'll label it to be mine. Me or mine. And so it is, I don't take, put the mind, the D on it, means it's something different altogether. And it's all this thought and reasoning, capacity of reasoning and thinking, is all then mind. But we claim this mind to be my mind. So there's no such thing as mind, apart from thought. Show me this mind you call mine. A mind is just thought, thought is just word, words just sound, a vibration. Body. So the Kiwlims sputum is a matter of the fingers, made up of elements, air, earth, fire, water, space, broken down to subatomic particles, into vibration, into pure energy.
So it is all, as they say, the dynamic energy, of awareness. And labels of discrimination and labels we put on differentiated, and all have seeming self natures, or separate powers of themselves. That is never other than one of them. than the one. So we have to recognize that. Have a look and see, investigate. Am I this body? And innately you immediately know you're not the body because you say my body. You say my house, my car, my coat, my hat. And you know innately without having to worry too much about it that you're not the coat. Because you can dispense with the coat, you're not the hat, you can throw that away also.
The house, you can live in the house but it might not be yours if you're renting it for somebody else. My car, my house, all these things that claim to be mine and the mine or the me is what I've claimed to be this body, mind, the shape and form. But another term for it is being, knowing, knowing that I'm not the body. And loving to be. Three different aspects which are the same thing. And aren't you being right now? Aren't you conscious right now or happy to be? Of course you are. So you're not unaware. You are that pure being. Now you don't have to put the labels or the words on it, discriminated.
Just try and not be. That's the actuality, just try and not be. Now you can say I am not and I'm not this or I'm not that or I'm not the other. But do the same thing to the so-called things you believe that you are. And realise that this manifestation that the appearance is happening in is one essence. It's one totality. It can never be separate or divided. The pattern, shapes and forms, the constant, the constant, the constantly changing. But it's still the one essence that's enabling that to happen. And all these different concepts come up. Like then the concept of time. And the belief we have it has a beginning.
And it has an ending. But when does now begin? Doesn't it begin right now, what's you call now? When does it end? Now. And as it's ending it's beginning again. So you can't say it is, and you can't say it is not. But it appears to be solid and substantial. While we're in this body-mind, which is seemingly time-bound, as I see me beginning and end, and it's going to break down one day, does that which it appears in, it disappears. Is the essence still there? It has no beginning or no end? Absolutely uncorrupted, untouched, uncontaminated by anything that has ever appeared on it or it.
Take a look at that. Take a movie screen, for instance. The screen is empty. The movie comes upon it and all sorts of activities take place on that screen. Seemingly so. But it's not. Switch the light or the thing that was coming through and reflecting on the screen, switch that off. Projector. Projection, whatever it is, switch that off. What's the screen? Empty again. Has it been shot up or cut about or damaged in any way, shape or form by the projections on it? It hasn't. Projections have come and gone. So the same with this. Now could those projections appearing on the screen come from anything other than the screen itself?
That's why they call it a cognising emptiness. And emptiness is as this functioning of knowing, of cognising. And the Buddha pointed out that this is a cognising emptiness. And he made the statement then that emptiness is form. It's that cognising emptiness which is no thing, that you or I can say is vibrating and forming all this manifestation. But he said also that the form is nothing other than emptiness. It means it hasn't changed its true nature. Even though all these wondrous patterns, shapes and forms are going on, it's still only the emptiness. So we think we've come from somewhere and are going somewhere. Well what could you come from?
The same as everything else, the emptiness. And where could you go to? The same as everything else, the emptiness. And it says in something, one of the things, emptiness here, emptiness there. Yet the infinite universe stands ever before your eyes. No difference. For all boundaries have ceased. All discrimination has ceased. And it goes on to say in that words, the way is beyond language. From it there's no yesterday, no tomorrow and no today. So it's an amazing, as they say, dynamic display. And it's not that you and I are in it, we are it, appearing as different. The appearance is not the reality. It's only seemingly so.
Well, that'll do me I think. Any questions? Can you speak up? I can't hear you. Okay, there is a question here. The last one. What is your experience life like now compared to before recognised you are that? It is only thought that there needs to be more insights and less thoughts to be clear about what is. It's still the same. It's not as it ever was. But now it hasn't got the seeming belief or power in the words or the discrimination it once had. It's seen as an amazing display, recognised as such and enjoyed as such. Not the division. Good, bad, pleasant, painful, happy, sad.
It's still there. But it's known that one is not separate from the other. The two ends of the one stick. And it will vibrate into one end or the other end. So it evens itself out in that display. And the so-called seeming bad things and the so-called good things, the seeming good things, will resolve themselves without doing anything about it. If anything needs to be done about it, it will be done by the same essences breathing me right now, beating my heart, enabling these words to appear, express, come out. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong, there's no knowing here about that at all. It just sounds happening, occurring.
Like outside the energy which I can't see, the stir causing the air to move in what we call a wind, which is moving branches, waving things around, blowing dust and things around. All happening. But nothing is really happening. Okay, so there was another question. Dear Bob, can you explain our thoughts are relatively absolutely non-essential for living, please? Thoughts without tinker can happen spontaneously. Thoughts without... Can you explain our thoughts are relatively absolutely non-essential for living, please? Yeah. Well, the thoughts are just sounds, vibrations. They have their purpose, they have their use. You know, like a bird or a cat has sounds but haven't got any words.
Now, one sound can tell them there's danger around. Another sound will tell them there's food here. Another sound will tell them look for a mate. So they have their uses, words, sounds. When they become words, feelings, emotions, activities. They're all part of the expression, the patterning, shaping, forming of this intelligence energy, which is very useful. But the way we've taken and believed in it, it becomes self-destructive. Because it tells me I'm not good enough, or I can't do this, or I'm fearful, I'm anxious, I'm full of self-pity, resentment, guilt, shame, jealousy, envy. All those sorts of concepts aren't good. They make for unhappiness, despair, and all the rest of it.
Resistance. And the word's not the thing. Knowing that, and knowing that words are changed, will change. They're constantly transient. They're constantly changing. They can seemingly be taken aboard and seemingly fixated on, or are clinging to them and keeping them there. And we try to cling to the good, which is going to change anyway, and resist the bad, which is going to change. But there's no thought fixed in your head. Thoughts come and thoughts go. And so they'll still be there, and can be utilized, but who's going to be bothered with them using you anymore when you can't relate them to a you that has any substance or any independent nature?
Because the life essence has no patterning, shaping, and forming. But it's there. Okay, I can read you some more comments. Unfortunately, I'll just have to read them from here, and I get disrupted every time your comment comes. So it will be hard. What's the matter? Yes. Welcoming comments. And then you have, No, Carolyn, no problem ever. Show me problem. Show me what's wrong, not right. It's always all right. No over or under. Time appears in no time. We can get it. We can't get it. We are it. No one can get anything wrong. Not all right is only in thought then, says Tanya. And Carolyn answers, All is all.
Right, not wrong. Breathe is I am. This is all in like 50 comments. I'm reading them together. Presence is mistaken for me. Separate entity, Tanya says. The body is image also. Armanath says, Time, space, cause or person, appearance and disappearance happen simultaneously. So I'm wrong. So ultimately, no creation, no destruction. Nothing is happening at all. Carolyn, I won't need no thing. I'm everything, everyone, wordless, timeless, I. I am all pain and OSC all in one. Armanath, Is word a thing, sign of all. All words are false, yet source is the truth. Also words are expression of one reality essence. Carolyn, no thing to do ever, Tanya.
The word also can't know anything. Carolyn, I know no thing. I'm pure love. Not even, even that too many words. Too many words. A hoe I know not. What I do not. Absolutely perfect, yes, yes. I'm every one of you, full stop. Here no a relief, I'm free. That's about 60 different comments. We, I am ultimate, know it all, haha. I don't need to know. I don't need to understand a thing. How on earth could we ever be separate from space? We are in this body mind or it is us. It is in us. Rohan, good morning. Armanath, dear Bob, can you explain thoughts are relatively absolutely non-essential.
Okay, we've been there. What is your experience? Tanya was asking. We've been there. And I think the rest I can probably have in here. Hi everyone. Sorry for that. The phone is only remembering like six last comments. And when I get 60, like one word in the comment, straight away I have no access. Well, that sounded pretty good, what everyone was saying. Yes, yes. I hope everyone could hear it because you could hear it, but I don't know how people who will be watching us. But yeah, it is what it is. We have another six comments. They will disappear once there's more one words. Okay.
So, Caroline says total freedom. No question left here and now. Bless. Richard, put your emptiness in. Put your emptiness out. Put your emptiness in and shake it all about. To do the empty dumpty and turn around. That's what it is about. Hey. Sweet. Good on you Richard. Good on you Richard. Can you sit up? Tanya, how beautiful Bob. Thank you. How is nothing happening? It is because experiencing doesn't comment and is only thought saying something is happening or there is no time for something to happen in. That's a question for you. How is nothing happening? Well, it's all. It's all. It's all can be broke down to no thing.
There's no thing happening. The happening is occurring. That's changes happening about but it's not happening to any particular thing. It's the one essence that's moving, vibrating and appearing as everything. So, it's just a pure happening or a pure expression. Is it only because experiencing doesn't comment and it's only through saying something is happening or there is no time for something to happen in? Well, certainly no time for anything to happen in. Time is a mental concept also. Caroline, I'm this pain and this peace. And Kieran, sending love. Thank you. And Tanya, yes, he does look well. That was about you looking well. How is recovery from your illness?
I'm fine. How is recovery from your operation going? Okay. Good. Now, Kieran, when I dream at night, I often have truths come up that don't feel as accessible awake. I often feel a wisdom there. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Possibly when the ordinary everyday thinking. Yeah. It's in abeyance when you're asleep. It gives a chance for the truth to express and appear naturally because there's nothing standing in the way of it. No conceptual image that blocks it is in the way. Yeah. Lots of people get insights and things from in sleep. When they wake up in the morning and it'll dawn. Yeah. It'll dawn on them.
And the crazy stuff can come up in the sleep as well, which is not really ... I mean, crazy images or perhaps whatever you tune into the whole field of frequencies and you pick out somebody else's memories. I often have situations and really, really very detailed landscapes that I certainly didn't see in any doc or any life or past life. And it just, yeah, the thoughts don't belong to anyone. So you can tune into subconscious collective whatever. It's all one anyway. But that's wonderful when you get your insight and your guidance in the dream. It's not uncommon and it's wonderful. Amarnath, don't fix anything. He's quoting you.
He says, Sailor Bob, you said don't fix anything. I don't really understand that. Yeah. If you have the bicycle broken, fix it or something. It's just probably what he meant. Don't fixate. Yeah. Fixate the awareness. Fixate on the thoughts, on the concepts. Just be the awareness. And anyway, you can't fix anything because there's no you for a start of it. That's just a concept also. The I. Yeah. The who I am is a concept. Yeah. We've got something from Brett, which I'm looking forward to reading. From who? From Brett from Western Australia. Morning Bob and Kat wonder surrounds. Listening to Bob speak of presence, these words evolved.
The 10,000 things parading in presence. We must sink the world into existence. We must enchant. Follow presence along the path towards surprise. Peer beneath the brambles of being. Look to the sky. Court the clouds. Marry the moon. Does your purpose preach presence? Hold hands with the mystery and romance remembering. Then forget. always forget and dwell in the desire to dissolve how beautiful yeah dwelling the desire to to dissolve i love that i mean you know put your heart where it belongs in that silence that emptiness if if there is a love for the truth that love will transform the experience the love will bring the attention to to the source of all attention all energy and tanya i could hear it well sound is good yeah sorry i had to be shouting from behind the phone because i can only see last few comments on both bob's page and my own melinda looking so fantastic bob lots of love to both of you guys thank you melinda yeah thanks melinda i have great pleasure glad you're going well yeah julia i know we have discussed before but sometimes the clarity disappears you feel as though you never woke up please can you talk about how to manage those times it is always with inquiry instead of saying that you never woke up i can realize you never went to sleep in the first place you've always been a woman you've always been a woman yeah clarity disappears it's like when the clarity is a sky and when the clouds when the heavy clouds cover the sky it feels like it disappeared but it doesn't it's actually underneath those clouds so yeah i think the investigation is or inquiry is a it's a good pointer and sometimes when life forces you to act like that it's a good pointer and sometimes when life forces you to act like that to those clouds there is there's no there is no problem i mean sometimes let's say when we are completely taken by the appointments with the doctors and medications and stuff there is there is not even a thought or not even an absence of thoughts on anything else than what life wants us to attend to at the moment and there's no division there's no separation there is no problem sometimes when the energy is required somewhere it just goes there and then from the hindsight we could say oh but where was the clarity it's gone it's past it's dead the clarity is never the the empty space is the prerequisite for the clouds for the thoughts for everything to appear it's just sometimes it may feel like i need to be aware of the empty space but empty space is always there the eye has to be gone absent uh tas good morning bob earlier when you spoke of the screen and the projections appearing on it you went on to talk of the screen emptiness and form it seemed to spark recognition here for a split second could you talk a little more about that please well what was screen yes or the emptiness yes how can you talk about emptiness yeah well look out there what's the what's the first thing you see the very first thing you see close to your eyes is space that space is empty until you get to come whatever the come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come comes before it, and I realize it's in the room here, you can look out the window, then you're in space, and all these things are appearing in space.
Space is empty, there's no start, no end, no beginning, you can't give it a boundary to it, or a border, or you can't give a center to it. Now can you postulate or think of everything that's going to be outside of space? What would it be in? You realize that all this manifestation, there's only one place it could be in, and in that space. Now this space seemingly begins, as I say, when we look out of our eyes, from seeing, but go look back, try and look behind your eyes, what do you see? You can't say there's anything there, it's empty, so it's space. So where do you really begin?
It seems solid from this point of view, but where this point of view has got no static point, so it's just seeing, just hearing, hasn't got any beginning, hasn't got any ending, has nothing that was just said, nothing can be postulated, or thought of, or happen outside of that space. Can something come from nothing? Well it can't, it can't say what space is, you're seeing space, but can you give it a label, or a beginning to it, or an ending to it? You can't. So you can't say where everything is appearing in space, but you can't say what space is, and it has no beginning or ending.
What's ever happened? Have a dream of a night? Where does it take place? Seemingly it takes place in the head or in the body there somewhere, but can you pinpoint a spot in the body? Where you can say it is? You can't. And no centre to it, no comfort. The same with the things that appear and what are they enclosed in? If space was really something, if it was something, well could anything at all appear in it? It'd have to be space carved up, and space carved up there. Like, I don't know. Don't look forward or back. Wisdom is here now, Caroline says to Kieran.
Amarnath, dear Bob, can you speak on memory and forgetfulness? Are both false yet useful? Memory and forgetfulness, both false yet useful? That's a recalling of seeming things that have happened before, that were of use. They can, they can be utilised again, like I said with the bird, making a sound or a call, which might mean there's food here. Because it'll make that same sound when it comes upon food, and bring others to the food. So that's useful to the bird. But then another one excels in that there's danger here. Another call that comes up, you know, that can be useful. It's going to keep it, get out of the road.
It's going to keep it out of the road. It's going to keep it out of the road. Or don't go there. I think the easy way to answer the question, everything that appears has some uses. Otherwise it wouldn't have appeared. That's the way the whole appearance, the whole manifestation is designed, that it's constantly evolved, because there is some uses. But what are the uses would be the story. So we can chase back why is that useful, or that useful? And we can always then relate it to something. Why is it useful for me? me or useful for the survival or useful for this it's always relating going on so the story about usefulness is uh it could be an exciting fascinating story but it's not that essential if something appears yeah it can be appreciated because that would have an uses and the other thing is it's useful to who yep yep that's exactly relating if you didn't have the memory of that believed in person that body mind that had a semi-beginning yeah who could make use of it that's right i'm enough never slept you never slept you are always awake no need to awake at all he says this is what you said he says sailor bob said that you never slept yeah the real you is the space so it doesn't fall asleep the body of course slept maybe even few hours ago but you know the body am i not screen space like awareness self never involves in any actions since yet appears as if involved in everything screen never involved in action but it appears involved like space appears involved and it only appearance has to appear in seeming something but space is no thing yeah it's appearing as something no no thing has ever happened nothing has ever happened and we have another one this is from john david whenever you remember the words of the guru you are in a shade of guru's grace from prior to consciousness bob says to come back to the understanding again and again you have confidence in teaching and with this the conviction will arise spontaneously a thousand might fall at your side and the ten thousand at your right hand but it shall not come near you and it shall not come near you and it shall not come near you and it shall not come near you you this is from Psalm 91 7 yeah that's one I like to quote too because it's going on all around like 99% of what's going on in the world doesn't come nearly the bit that you that used to used to hang on to and make make it my business to cling on to a lot of it that resolves itself also just leave it leave it as it is bill when I close my eyes there is no thing but space drop thought as well and all these appears yeah when you close your eyes what's behind the lids darkness and we think that little bit of skin can shut out the world and affect the world and affect the world and affect the world and affect the world effectively does yeah that's how real and solid the world is yeah if I missed out on any comments I apologize and please relate to it or answer to it then I'll read it again because yeah we have old phones they very limited it's amazing the comments is a coming through now people are seemingly opening up more and more way way A lot of people were, I think, fearful of expressing what their concepts or ideas or thoughts were, or their way of expressing it.
Now they're getting the confidence in it. And most of those concepts were right on the ball at the time of this party, from different people. So-called different people, taking the boundaries off, starting to recognize that they're real essence and let it express. Bob, can you speak on thread of I am the body on which ignorance is created, please? Speak on what thread? Thread of I am the body on which ignorance is created. Yeah. Well, since we say I am the body, we believe we are this person. Yes. This individual. It comes about from your parents teaching you words. And you say, I am little Jo- you're little Johnny, or little Billy, or whatever your name is, or your little Jane, or Jean.
And then you start recognizing and say, I am Bob. Mm. And then whatever concepts you've added onto that label already, you add them on. Instead of just saying it's a conceptual image, now it's a seeming solemn, substantial image. Bob the Australian, the good fellow, and that's how you go. Yes. And what was the rest of it? Can you speak on thread of I am the body on which ignorance is created? Yeah. So now we've got this conceptual idea of a body, person, separate action. Mm. And we're ignoring our true nature. Mm. Our true nature is that it can't be divided, can't be separated. It is absolute, complete, total, whole.
Mm. And it's ever fresh and ever new. Now we've got the idea that this conceptual image, and ignore that true nature, I was born, and I'm having a bad trot, or things are going well for me, or I'm going to be a bad person, or I'm going to be a bad person. Mm. And we're ignoring our true nature. Mm. Our true nature. Mm. And I'm going to be a bad person, or I'm not going well for me, or whatever. Mm-hmm. We put all these concepts on it, and then the trying comes about, the struggle, the resistance, conflict, and uneasiness comes about from ignoring our true nature.
Yes. Now we have Jane. This is because of your generosity and encouragement and the selfless teaching. This is why the… Yeah. such a nice lucid comments are coming I guess and Jane also says love you Bob love you Jane I am boundaryless says Caroline and Tanya all this is very simple isn't it reality or truth is what is here without the words even with the words there is just experiencing no separation only thought ever says that you are not that yes as I tell you in the scripture it's that simple that we miss it nothing is simpler than one and it's not even one so what can be simpler than that and bountiful Caroline says Jane love you and Bill thanks for the beautiful sailors with love thank you Bill Caroline answering to Tanya all words are welcome here and Bill says oh no Caroline says to Bill beautifully expressed here we are words cease silent silence becomes more evident and like Nisaka says my silence sings and it does it brings up a joyousness a happiness my emptiness is full and it's complete and the fullness and emptiness sounds and silence you can't take anything away from it you can't add anything to it just what is unaltered unmodified uncorrected everything is as it is right here right now and it's always here wherever you are and it's always now whatever time you think of it got some comment Caroline says spontaneous laughter and Michael beautiful to see you both so light and happy can you talk to feelings without thoughts or painful experiences stored between language and concept can inquiry using mind help with that or are there other techniques you'd recommend painful experiences stored between the language and concept so do you mean I'm not very sure like something perhaps like a nervous that because of a trauma you suddenly get this sort of a thick or because I'm not very sure what is that one referring to if it's a painful experience how would you know well if it's a painful experience how would you know well if it's a painful experience how would you know yeah you know it through the memory yeah you know it through the memory through the memory there's a fresh and new experience there's a fresh and new sensation but as soon as you put the old label on it you go right into it and you become it see it fresh and new test it out yeah yeah seeing everything fresh and new being curious about whatever the life is bringing moment to moment like really having that attitude of open curiosity having that attitude of open curiosity having that attitude of open curiosity curious welcoming sort of being that field for whatever shows up if there is something in the body or in the mind of between them or whatever that needs healing that needs attention in that open curious field the it will call for the attention will demand attention and that attention if it is not tinted with judgment or with rejection of what is that very attention.
is that kind of energy that evens up you know the water that always evens up to the most optimal level so whenever there is sort of a like you know that sort of experience that you can't actually even grasp properly the experience of unworthiness or unlovable ability you don't even know whether it comes from trauma or where is it coming from and you can't put it in words or images but there is a kind of like almost a suction for attention it wants healing but when the attention goes that oh no I don't want to feel it. I need the drink. I need the chocolate.
I need the shopping that's not that's resistance. But when that or whatever other energetic Hall is met in that curious open field that water or energy or attention will even the flow it may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may not take a much longer. It may some of those holes. They recreate themselves. They become a patterns. They're like a licks of energy like holes in the in a system through which that energy gets wasted like even the habitual self-judgment or self-criticism.
So those will need that that flow of non judgmental curious attention perhaps repeatedly the less of the thinking the less of the methods because the moment you come up with the method you're going to be doing it wrong or it's not going to be working and you're going to be disappointed you're going to be having expectations towards the results and a lot of mind stuff will get entangled but really just staying in that non-conceptual open curious space that's the healing that's what meditation is aiming to do like just really sitting in your heart and letting things resolve without the interference of the resistance coming from the story and believing in judgments and stuff the pain but the pain is physical well it's it's the essence telling you and there's something about this but if it's mental psychological it's just a sensation that we've labeled and we've gone into the sent labeling of the sensation instead of seeing the sensation is version here.
Put the whole label on it. This is fear, this is anxiety, this is... Yes, Caroline answered, yes, emptiness is full. And Amarnath, Bob, is there any need for solitude or silence? Being in is-ness, emptiness, is not affected by words or action. No need. It's just another way of patterning, shaping, forming and seemingly expressing to seem someone. And if there is, if the energy is pulling or calling and you find yourself sitting alone or whatever, that's again an opportunity to give credit where credit is due. It's not because it was needed, it is because it happened. Life had it this way. In some people, life would have it this way.
In some it wouldn't. Like Bob... spent most of his life being married that's not really exactly being alone and if you know him as being married he's really he's really with it in it what in the relationship in a marriage but the fact that when you met in his arcadata you were not you were alone that was a it was a breakup and that helped in the moment of of seeing through but where that aloneness needed in some cases it may some others not life resolves it either way now Caroline says not my emptiness and she's laughing now a clock now a clock we are Bob no teacher no student before language Michael says at early age ah Michael is referring to that events that are stored before the language was learned like maybe birth trauma or something whether that can be resolved in any way even needs resolving it will call for attention and they are ways that in in which that call for attention is exercised you might hear about some techniques or you might hear about some you might hear about some gentle way of massaging or acknowledging your life always resolves it there is no one one tool feeds all although if it's collectively believed even that might help help but yeah just being open really for the solutions if you feel that there is something from early childhood that needs to be resolved and it is a persistent feeling coming back and asking for help and asking for help and asking for attention yeah absolutely let it guide you what is paying caroline is asking what is trauma Jane please talk about thought feeling and emotion being one well first of all as a subtle thought and let's keep that there for a while and the very keeping it there to be kind of what that thought becomes the feeling or sensation and so you sensation becomes a feeling which we level with some label on doing this one's fear or this one's anger well this one's on there uneasiness or on happiness we label it for that label I'll now keep that there well and I've keeping that uneasy state of fear anxiety and it'll stir it up It'll stir up the body feelings, the emotions in the body.
Come the tears or the activities of anger or depression or guilt or whatever. So it's all thought based. Thought, feeling and emotion. Just the same like in nature, it's all functioning the same out there in the emptiness, you know. There is steam, like I say, the water gets evaporated, it becomes steam. That's just two gases in the first place, I think. It becomes a liquid. And then the steam, it condenses, it cools down, becomes water. And then the water can get colder and solidify, becomes ice. But the thought is, you know, it's all about the feeling. Feeling and emotion, it all starts off with the basic vibration of energy called thought.
And the other way, like the steam, water and ice, it all comes about from a vibration again. Gases, hydrogen, oxygen becomes water. And the water, the sun evaporates the water and heats it, becomes steam. Then it solidifies again or condenses. And becoming more than water. More than the water, it becomes ice. More comfortable sleep. Yeah, we'll get it mixed. Yeah. So if you see, recognise the sensation, or the thought comes up, the very subtle, and you realise it's just a sensation, it's a vibration, a subtle vibration going on, which we can now label as thought. And the sensation, when it's being there, it's gone into the body and calling that feeling in the body.
And then it gets more entangled in the body. It stirs the body up and becomes the emotion. But it's only the one vibration that's vibrating in a different pattern, shapes and forms. Same essence. Yeah, in the body it is a sensation. In the mind it is interpretation of the sensation. But it is the same, the same one and the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. See, it's a little bit like aЛ'angry heart. And then it's called SPiekos, The Spirit, we call it, is the same. But in the body, it is a whole, everything happening, the normal experience. And that's really good for the body. question makes sense thank you I think it was just just elaborating on the pointer that Bob often uses is and it's also coming from ancient scriptures about unfixated awareness it's kind of awareness that doesn't really stick to anything like you know there they are techniques in which you are following or watching the the flame of a candle and and that stills your mind or you repeat the mantra and that stills your mind having the awareness unfixated that is kind of open completely the field of vision is open the field of hearing is open and that one that one is just kind of it doesn't without that fixation you can't constitute the self you can't constitute anything and the easy way to access that unfixated awareness is to deliberately overload the minds with fixation.
Like if you fixate on few objects at the time, you only have limited processing capacity. The machinery, the computer will be overloaded and it will kind of hang, it will stop. The easy thing to do is to focus on few different sounds in few different directions and hold them in the field of attention. At that point, you can't again construct the self, the separate self. And also with this really really pleasant way of being and Bob again is bringing up that example of walking on the beach and being with all the elements. You walk barefoot on the sand and you feel the sensation of of your skin touching the sun.
You feel the warm wind. You feel that you hear the sound of the waves You actually have the whole, uh, field of sensations open up. Your eyes are open, your ears, all the senses basically open. And when they are all open, there is not very much going on in the narrative, because everything needs energy. When the energy goes into the being present, because the hearing, the sounds, they are only now, they are present now. The scenes, if you look at things, they are only present now. Sensations in the body, where you walk or where you stay, or when you feel your face or your tensions, sensations in your mouth, even feeling, tasting your tongue or smelling things, they are all present sensations.
So now the whole field of attention is overloaded with presence. You are completely, fully present with the sensations, and there is not much of the attention available to narrate, to chat in the head, to take you to the past and future, pleasure, pain, judgments. You are not stuck on the one thing, if you are unfixated. Yes. It is just a pleasurable way to be also. It could be a practice. I don't think it is, you know, like if you take it to be a practice, suddenly there is a you and you do it well, or you are not doing well and you have expectations. That narrative going with the practice, being a practitioner, it is not necessary.
But I don't really see myself walking or driving in any other way anymore, because the narrative is just not that attractive anymore. Because perhaps my heart is with what is rather than with what isn't, which is the chatter. Chatter is always talking about stories, not about the immediacy. Now, Amarna, don't mix ever fresh new spontaneous awareness with memory. He is quoting you, Sailor Bob. You said, don't mix ever fresh new spontaneous awareness with memory. Jane, yes, all conflict can be healed by inquiry. Who is it happening to? Jane, you are the silence. When you are the silence, then everything appears upon it. The silence is always there.
Silence, presence, love, truth, light, pure intelligence, energy are always right here, right now. Beautiful. Whenever you remember the words, Caroline is answering to, but I just can't find that comment ever again. Sorry. Whenever you remember the words, John David was quoting, Caroline says she loves it. And I am all darkness, all pain too. Caroline says. And Tanya, beautiful. Jane, what a great pointer. As I read that, what you are pointing to is clear. Thank you. Beautiful. And Caroline. And I am all right, total, loss of all control. Amarnath, don't label us thought. See us just vibration pattern. See us awareness only. And Caroline says, no, do, no, don't.
Do, no, don't. Unfixated awareness, Brett says. That's it. Thank you. Julia, it's incredible that you can get so lost in mind energy despite this knowing. Miraculous. Amazing. Yeah, it is. That's why they say that awakening is the best. That's why they say that awakening is not once of event. You are awake now. You were asleep before a certain day. It is ever fresh. It is either now or never. Timeless. Timeless, yeah. There might be a threshold after which the narrative never comes back to that self-obsession again. But it doesn't mean that daydreaming stops. Unless there is a brain damage, as Bob says. The daydreams still go on.
And with the, I don't know, perhaps with putting more heart into the presence, less of it is available in the thinking. So then thoughts are less and less attractive. Gradually. You said you walked out from Nisargadatta after the breakthrough realization that you are not what you thought you were. And the daydream started right outside the door. The mind took over. Yeah. The mind took over because that was the pattern. The habit pattern. Yeah. Habit pattern. It went on for years and years without even questioning it. Start to investigate, start to question. And the false cannot stand up to investigation. If something is false, you'll see through it.
Amarnath, false cannot stay to investigation. False cannot stay. Yeah. Bob likes to say, false cannot stand up to investigation. And Caroline is replying to Julia. That is incredible that you can get so lost. Caroline says, lost my mind months ago and loving it. True or false? Yeah. The mind. That's a, that's a nice way to say it. Caroline says, my quote unquote. So the minds, you know, the mind is thinking the, the habit of conceptualizing, labeling, naming experiences, comparing, calculating, planning, all of those wonderful capacities are still there. But how are they my, now they may be not my, not in the same sense. Like the, you know, the commentary goes on and comments, but this is not my, so I don't have to worry about the content of it.
This doesn't really. Doesn't really bother me. I don't really even have to listen to it because who cares when it was my, it was important. It was relevant. It was whatever. But now it's like a broken radio. If it's, if it's even there, because once you stop listening, it kind of doesn't get much, much attention anymore. So it is undetectable. Tanya. Let's see. Now this is, we have thank you messages coming. And Jane says, that's the beauty of watching. The pattern dissipate through investigation. False evidence appears real. Yeah. Yeah. Watching the mind. It as something that is happening in the, in the field of awareness, in the consciousness of space that I am.
It's not mine. It's just a passing phenomenon. Tanya would like to talk to you about, that sometime, Caroline. Oh yeah. Tanya and Caroline will find each other. I'm sure. And bless one and all. I think it's time for ending because we have thank you messages and, and the blessings and thank you. And thank you for being with us and blessings to everyone. Yeah. Thank everyone for the amazing input that came from you. That came through today. Yeah. There's a lot of clarity there. Thank you for all the beautiful, clear sharing. Love you all. That's from Tanya. Yeah. And love messages from John Amarnath from everyone.
So thank you and lots of love to everyone. We are neither field or perceiver of awareness. Ni sargadatta. We are neither. Yeah. There is no we. And yes, more thank you messages. So have a wonderful day or night or wherever you are. Excellent.