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Morning everybody. Another day, fresh and new. Every moment is fresh and new, spontaneously. Nobody's creating it. No creator, no creation and no creature. The creator. It's all happening by itself. And that amazing and wondrous ways in which it happens or appears to happen implies and shows you that it's suffused with an innate intelligence. Innately suffusing it and knowing it just as it is. And we, so-called humans, are just patterns. Body, mind, body. And it's the patterns through which it expresses. How could it express if there was no patterns to express through? So, as the Buddha told you, it's a cognising emptiness. It's that emptiness that is doing the cognising.
Not that we cognise anything. See, without that knowing or consciousness or awareness, which are different labels for the same thing, weren't a person. So, how many words could be hearing there? How many words could be spoken? How many sights could be seen? How many sounds could be heard? How many movements could there be? So, the amazing and wondrous thing is it doesn't divide itself up into separate entities, persons, individuals or things. It vibrates. Those are just vibrating patterns and shapes and forms. Like the ripple on the water is still only water. And the wave and the tsunami are still only water. They haven't divided themselves up, separated themselves into drops.
They might have originally appeared as drops, but you can never get the same drop out of the water, out of the sea, as what is now. It's always constantly transient. And our problem is we hang onto the same idea that we are these separate entities. These individuals, these persons. And think through the nature tellings or the knowing or the reasoning that we are going to become something. And we've got to label God on what we believe to be a higher power or a greater power or something superior, something better. And to think we will become that through the reasoning. But you won't. You won't become what you already are.
And though it's seemingly obscured, it never was obscured. If you see that without a thought you still are, you can hardly give up this thinking and its persona of a night when you go to sleep. But the functioning through the body, the pattern is in the mind. The functioning through the body, the pattern is in the expression, like the breathing, the heart beating, the food digesting. It's still going on. And when the so-called change comes around or the turnaround, and that life energy, what we call life energy, or we can call that godliness, or disappears or ceases to function through that body, the body breaks down.
And there is still life in it. When it's breaking down, rotting it, getting food out of it, the germs or whatever is in it, and they will appear as something else again and again and again. Not reincarnating. Every pattern, this shape and form is fresh and new. Though we put, seemingly similar, and we put the old labels on it. And with the thoughts, feelings and emotions, not recognizing that that's one and the same thing also, I think a thought is something separate. Then the sensation or the feeling comes up. And then the emotion. It comes up all seemingly together. And we don't take them to be the one essence appearing as everything.
So we divide them up into thoughts. We don't like the thoughts or the feelings. We don't like this emotion or this feeling. Or it's not good enough or we want another one. A thought, when you look at it, what is it? It's a vibration. It's a movement of energy. Vibrating. And, what comes up next? It comes up with sounds. Thoughts are that vibration for any sound. Any vibration is a sound. No matter how subtle it is. And the vibration becomes the form. Pattern, shape and form. But when the Buddhist said, emptiness is form, the cognising emptiness is doing all these things. It hasn't changed its true nature.
There's still the cognising emptiness. There's still the shimmering and shaking or spander or whatever they like to call it. It vibrates it into pattern, shapes and forms. And we take the pattern, shape and form just like the wave or the ripple that comes on the water when it's shaped. We take it to be a wave or a ripple. This so-called thing we call the mind divides it up into words, labels. And we think the word is real. How many words were you born with? You realise when you start looking into these things, you say, I didn't have any words when I was a little child.
None whatsoever. There were sounds coming out when you watch a little baby and see for yourself. They're sounds, which are vibrations. It could be crying. It could seem gurgling or happy. But sounds, sounds become words. And the words, we put the label on it, fear, anxiety, stress, guilt, unhappiness, sadness. We take those vibrations or sounds or words to be real. And the sounds we call voice, speaking. Some of the sounds, not all of them. We have different labels for everything. And they can be useful. The capacity of reasoning can be a very useful capacity. We worked out so many things through this mind and body ability.
That's the way it's evolving in the manifestation. But the words or the sounds are not real. What is a sound? Just noise. A noise that breaks the silence or the stillness. Vibrations of sound. The words or sounds we take, we put that vibration like a, a musical note. We say this is a higher note, this is a lower one. We put all, I'm not a musician, I don't know anything about music. But the different notes you can, with the different notes you can create different songs or operas or whatever else they try. But realize the back of it all, or not only the back of it, but surging through it all.
Or which it all forming in. There's nothing that could form outside of it. What could you think of outside of that consciousness or awareness? What sounds could be heard? Well, if that life essence or consciousness wasn't there. So what mind is there by the same token? We've got this thing we call mind. Investigate it and see. Show me your mind. Just try and show me your mind right now. Is there anything there you can say, this is mind? And what it would be saying? The thing you cook, cook, is seemingly happening in the mind, the words you're speaking. But what's that, what are they encased in?
Is there a thing there that they're encased in? They're not. They're appearing through, where do the words that you speak go? When you open your mouth, does the word fly out somewhere? The vibration of it goes on, yeah. As it says in one of the Psalms, their voice is not heard, yet their words go out. They go forth throughout the earth, and the sounds to the end of the world. Vibrations on and on. With the taken reality of it, this form is the same thing. This body is nothing but a vibration of energy. What's happening there now? You're breathing in, you're breathing out. Isn't that vibrational movement happening?
Heart beating. Cells being replaced. Food being digested. The vibrating goes on. Put it under a microscope and see how solid and substantial it is. The problem with this, we're taking it to be the persona, the person. A word that's evolved from other words, from the persona. I think it was the Latin word mask, and there's probably plenty of other languages that are explaining it that are different from the persona. But what's that? But what persona really, the definition of persona was mask. And what's a mask? We're all, with this coronavirus, we're all wearing or supposed to be wearing masks. What do they do? They're covering your features, your face.
Covering it. And I don't go around in the morning and say, hello mask, how are you? Well, you're the red mask and you're the blue one, you're the white one. But that's what we do. We put labels on the conceptual image we have and take it to be real. And that's, these forms that are seemingly separate from the part, are personas. And the persona, we say, is my self. Now that's another word you'll see in all the great traditions, self. Selfishness, self-wills, self-centeredness. They're all ego. All taking place in that pure atman or self. It's the one self, appearing, expressing as everything. Yet we personalize it by saying, my self.
See what we've done? We've brought it down from the absolute into a separate entity, an individual, a person. And the thing is, we've taken it to be real. Where do we learn the words from? Well, the first words you ever learnt were from your parents. No fussing around, you spoke words. And that intelligence, innate intelligence was suffusing that little embryo, that little fetus, which was now a little baby, suffusing it. And that intelligence suffusing it was picking up on these words. Picking up on things. It was learning, acquiring things, which are needed for the seeming functioning of this life. But when we look and see that the word every word you've spoken, or whatever you like to speak, like all these words are coming out of this mouth right now, have all been picked up along the way.
I wasn't born with any of them. How do I know that? Because I can't remember my birth, and neither can you. I can't even say I was born. But it's a belief that's there today. I was born. I am existing. And you see, you think, we think we are existing. But we are the existence itself. That's what they tell us in Hinduism, and in the invader teachings. Sat Chit Ananda, existence, consciousness, loving to be. Nama Rupara, the other two. The Nama Rupara is the name we put on ourselves, the labels our parents have put upon ourselves, the label we take to be real. I'm Bob, I'm so and so, I'm this, I'm that.
That's the name. And the form through which it's expressing is the body. Without the body, how many words can you express? How many words can you say? What can you differentiate? Consciousness is functioning, shaping and forming out there, or awareness, without any words on it. And what's appearing? There are trees out there, there's flowers, there's space, there's sky, there's all sorts of things going. Any of them saying this is consciousness, this is awareness, or anything like that? But it knows, the knowing of itself as it is. It's a pure knowing. Knowing is something that's happening right now. Just the same as seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling.
The functioning is going on. And that tree out there is drawing up sap, sustenance from that through the earth. Running it around. Now this seasonal time of the year, that sap stops running, stops moving around. What happens? Can the leaves stay there without the sap? They don't. They fall off. They're gone. Will those same leaves come back? No. But when the season warms up again, that same intelligence that stopped the sap running will start running again. And what happens? Out of that seemingly dead tree, little green sprouts will start to form. Buds become leaves. And then the seeds, or the fruit, and out of that fruit, those seeds, there will be more life.
And the birds and the people, or everybody else, and those seeds, some of them will come out in their streeter. Some will be spat out. But the seeds will go into the earth. And that same life that's in them, that hasn't separated from the tree, though it's fallen off the tree and everything, but it's still the same essence, will sprout into new trees. Just the same as the sperm in the ovum, in the male and the female, that formed you and me and every so-called human pattern. Out of those two will come more life again. And a lot of those seeds will never sprout. And when they're young, well, that will get picked off or eaten by other species.
But the life is living on the earth. It's living on life, constantly. And even though it's taken out of that little form, that little pattern, by something that eats it, it's still in the form that's eaten it then. The essence of it is there for them to create another form. The life never ceases. And you are, if you like to call it, you are the life. Innately you know that. You know? How would you express it? Do anybody ask you who you are? You say, oh, I am Bob. And you put a lot of other things on, I'm an Australian, I'm a good fellow, or just that I am.
And isn't that the great mantra that's expressed through all the different scriptures? Like Moses on the mountain, or was it Moses or Abraham or whoever it was? I forget now. When he realized, I am that I am. That I am that I'm saying is what I really am. Not the words or the label. But it's the essence. It's the vibrating intelligence energy, if I like to put it that way. And all of us say I am. Then it's the great sacred sound, om. I am. When you say it slowly. Another great mantra is I am that. And innately, don't you know that? What is that?
That is what I am. Or I am that. And you look around, is there anything separate from that? No, you look around, the carpet my feet are on is that carpet. The chair I'm sitting on is that chair. Cat on the other side of the room is that cat. Not the kittens, but the cat. The trees outside the window, everything is that already. But it's not the same pattern, shape or form. But it's the one essence. It's the one essence, the pure awareness or consciousness. So that is existence. Shit is consciousness. Amanda is loving to be. And so, can you negate any of that? Being, you're being right now.
And you're knowing right now. You're knowing that right now. And you're knowing a lot of other things too. And you're happy to be, aren't you? Who'd want to be dead right now? Some of you might be suffering a lot and very quick. But in the heads, reading it, you'd want to be out of it. But you'll be taken out of it soon enough, don't worry. That essence, nothing's ever been taken away from it. It is absolute. Not the smallest, slightest thing has ever been taken away from it. No, the pattern, shapes and forms appear, disappear, change, constantly change. But not the slightest bit has been taken away.
Or lost. If this earth were to blow up right now, blow up into smithereens, into atoms, substances, could there be anything lost? It'd all be there in space. Every particle would be there in space. But the shape and form would have changed. You couldn't call it an earth again, could you? Now when this pattern we call the body breaks down, has anything changed? Has anything lost? Life, the germs on the microbes that have eaten it, disintegrating, breaking it down or rotting it, they're all life forms. And they'll appear as something else again. So it's not a reincarnation. Nothing was ever carnated in the first place.
It only appears to be so. And the appearance couldn't be there if it didn't vibrate in the opposite. Disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear. Just the same as day and night. Or day without night. Or night without day. Could there be any of these opposites? And that's why the mind is constantly functioning in the pairs of opposites. But our problem was we take one part of the mind to be good, the other part to be bad, and we only want it to be one way. Not realising even in this variety of appearing as two, it's still only the one. It's dividing, seemingly dividing or seemingly separating into the opposite, but it's still only the one.
Like as I say, there's no one-ended stick. Each stick has two ends to it. Get on the seesaw, one end of the board might be high, the other low. But it's the same board, they're both appearing one. Different analogies and ways of pointing it out. But never lose sight of the fact. The fact that I am that. The sorrow, the sadness, the unhappiness, the depression, are all that. And does that seesaw ever remain one end up and one end down? Or has it got the fulcrum in the middle where it becomes even? Like I say, you go to the South Pole, can you go any further south?
Your next step will be north. You can't go to the North Pole, can you go any further north? No, your next step will be south. Where do they meet? They meet, or seemingly meet, at the equator. Why would anyone call it that? Where would that label come from? But it's equal where it's equal. So the same with the thoughts. When you realise whether you're at the north or the south, it's still equal wherever you are. Whether it's ever good or bad, it's still equal. It's only the different terms and different labels and the different sensations we put on them that seemingly make them different. So one essence appearing and patterning and shaping and forming has everything.
And you and I and everything else is that essence. So you and I, whether you realise it or not, are one and the same. And only that. So if I realise that, recognise that, what would I want from you? What would you want from me? In the merging together? In the merge together? Well, that'll be a natural merging. It won't be coming together through wanting or needing. It'll bring it about. And if you're not trying to work it out in the mind, going on as you sense that inner resonation, it won't be a relationship then. It'll be a natural coming together and merging. But realise that relationship is duality.
Relative to. And if you're one and the only one, what can you be related or relative to? You are it. You are it, you see. Let each and every pattern express as it expresses. Then, in recognise, in that essence, whatever happens, happens spontaneously and naturally. You're going to continue to take delivery of it? Well, let it be. When there's no resistance, everything naturally falls into place and works itself out. What's blocking the Earth from rolling around the Sun? Is there some big boulder up there in space it's going to run into and crash and stop? And there's the Earth and all the things putting... There's not resisting it anywhere.
And resistance is conflict. Conflict is disease. Disease is uneasiness, not at ease. Not being well. Pure being is not was-ing. Or not what will be. That's happening right in this seeming moment. And I say seeming moment because there's not even a moment. Time falls apart. Years, days and weeks fall apart. As it says in the Bible, a thousand years in eyesight are like yesterday when it was past. Or a watch in the night. It's gone spontaneously, isn't it? But it seems to carry on. And we seem to go along with it. And you will and can go along with it. But in the understanding of it and recognising of it, who's going to be bound by it?
Who's going to sink into the sadness and the depression? As these sensations come up. But see, every sensation is a fresh and new one. Sensations are feelings. Thought, feeling and emotion are one and the same thing. There's a question on the screen, so I'll read it for you. This is from Tanya. Awareness has no preferences. But there is a thought pattern here that eating animals is wrong. And what happens to them is unnecessary as we can be healthy and thrive without eating meat. Is it wrong that there is anger or expressing a strong opinion about this to my family? If I was clear about this, I would not take a position about what to eat.
And maybe I would eat meat. Because there is no reference point. Or is not eating meat just happening? And expressing about that is just happening? No, shouldn't be thinking or expressing about this topic. And Julia says, Tanya, nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so. And you're right, it is just happening. And Tanya replying to Julia, that's exactly the pointer that came up when looking at this earlier on, this. Thank you, Julia. Sorry for my long question. You comment on it, Bob. Yeah. Well, what did Christ say? Take no thought for your life, what you shall eat, what you shall drink, what you shall wear.
The Father knoweth you have need of these things. You know, talking about your father is not big daddy or some god. It's that life essence already knows. When you were born, you learned to suckle, didn't you? Well, you did suckle. Well, you didn't learn to suckle. You knew to fasten onto the nipple. You knew what to do. Just as long as you knew how to breathe and beat your heart. But in what you eat, see if it's good for you or not. That's the main thing to look at. You're not going to eat it if it's going to poison you or anything. And when they're putting sprays and tablets and everything in the food and doing all sorts of things to it and the killing of animals you mightn't like, whatever you, if your preference is not like that, you know.
But life lives on life. It's unavoidable. If this, how could this car, carnavirus survive if it didn't have lives or bodies to express through or live in? Wouldn't last very long. Out of life, more life continually comes. And it can, it does come and will come in all its endless varieties and wonderment of it all. Can express in any pattern, shape or form at all. But there again, don't take any set position. Like there are times when I've been vegetarian and there are times when I've eaten meat. And at the moment, as far as health is concerned, it's vegetarian again because... But you drink cow shit ten times a day.
You drink bones of a cow ten times a day. Yeah, well, that's, guys will think it's so hard. Some health in a game. Can I add to it? I would like Tania to appreciate your compassionate heart for the animals and their well-being because that's always noble and in many cases you're right, it isn't necessary for people to kill and eat animals. But there are cases when there is necessary. Like think of people living in a... Like Eskimo people or people who live in places where the winter is so long that there is no plant food available. And also, if you actually feel into your motivation when you express that opinion to your family and you kind of see if there is a tendency to want to fix them, change them or agree with you because that has the taste of superiority.
My opinion is right. I am bigger, smarter, wiser and you are not. So this is... This reinforces the separation. Brings up the idea that there is right and wrong and belief just like Julia said before also. Jesus also said one thing. I don't know if I'll translate it well because I know it in Polish language. It's not that important what you put into your mouth but what comes out of it. Really, just watch your thinking, watch your thoughts, watch your words. What feeds the body? What feeds the body? Is the energy that gives it an energy? And again, well, if it's not necessary to add to the suffering, sure, it's beautiful not to do that.
But at the same time, all of it is... You wouldn't try to preach it to the tiger. You wouldn't try to preach it to the shark. This is how the nature made this body, created the survival strategies in that body. And yes, naturally it may be thriving on a lighter food but it can survive on the heavy meat. And that's a wonder. That's something to be appreciated. And if it happens this way, that you come from a clean point of love and compassion and the expression of it happens without anger, without trying to fix someone or diminish someone or make them stupid, well, that's just beautiful thing to see.
If it happens that you offer your family a green smoothie or something and they like it, yeah, just enjoy it. You know, it's as though when you say, I'm taking the bone broth of the moment, it's simply because I think or hoping or not thinking or hoping or doing anything, it might fix up the arthritis. If it doesn't, it'll drop off again. Mm. And so, apart from that, I'm eating a lot of grass too. Barley grass, wheat grass and things in the green smoothie. Yeah. It's grass. The cow's gonna push me aside and say, get out of my plot, you're eating my food. We have another comment.
This is from Sam. In my experience, I say grace to the animal and appreciate it offering nutrition to my body. Yeah. And Julia says, I'm not judging Sam, but what makes you think the animal offers nutrition to you? That's a good word. And Tanya says, I see what you're saying, Sam, although I don't feel the same way about it nutrition-wise. Thank you. It's part of the whole, Sam says. And now you have comment from Romy again. Hope this message gets to you. Love you lots and thinking of you, I know you don't want to talk to me anymore and I understand. But thank God you understand.
Dragging him to court and trying to institutionalize him. I understand, but I just want to let you know that I love you still. And I'm gathering evidence against you. There you go. You have a comment on this? No comment. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll comment. I'll just say, Romy, you were the one who were coming here, the only one from the family twice a week when Bob's first wife died. You know he stopped cooking for himself. You know he didn't want to be around. And now you want to do it to him again. Really? Be a man, woman. Okay. I'll keep up with it. Yes, Julia is right.
Julia say love is allowing someone to be as they are. Yes. So let's allow her to be as she is. It's not her fault. And Dale says we never have clean hands. Even to eat vegetable protein, land is cleared to grow. Beans, bugs are killed. True. You got a smile. I know it always saddens you when they start striking and attacking, but you just got a smile. What? Just give us a smile. Every time she interferes. Yeah. Any more questions there? Tanya says regarding to what, what Dale was saying that land is cleared to grow beans, but bugs are killed. And Tanya says, yes, I'm aware of this.
It is hard to do no harm. When you see that everything is expressions of that no thing, who's harmed in the long run? Yes. And then, yeah. If it's the totality or the absolute, what's ever been taken away from it? Yeah. What's ever been added to it? The appearance has changed. Just like in your dream. You can be anywhere in the dream. When you wake up this morning, when you wake up from the dream or to the dream, what has happened? And as I tell you, this is all mire. It's all illusion. The essence is one and the same essence. And that's a wonderful variety in which it can express in all manner of patterns, shapes and forms.
And it's continuing to do. Adrian says, love you guys. And Mukti says, we love you, Bob. Sending big hug. Sending lots of love. In the absence of words, who knows? I don't have to smile unless smiles are here. Love you always. And I didn't, it didn't look like an attack, says Karuna. It looked like apology. But it also looks like a lot of history exists with power to upset or hurt. I'm going to comment on this. I'm going to comment on this one because it really, nobody is guilty. Everyone just does whatever they were conditioned to do, including that person who actually delivered evidence in court which disputed doctor's proof that Bob is in perfect mental health.
That was a harm. And that harm continues. But she's innocent. She can't help it. This is completely a conditioned pattern of doing whatever it has been conditioned to do by really, really adverse family setup. So there's no hard feeling. Although, yes, because it comes as a harassment, I did address it. Hopefully I will not have to do it again. Dean is asking, just wondering if Bob could comment on Nisargadatta's advice to stabilize in IM. Well, understand. What that IM is he's talking about. He's not talking about saying in the words, I am, or repeating that like a mantra, I am, I am, I am. What does the I am mean, really?
If somebody asks you who you are, you say, I am Dean. So it's that I am-ness which is the sense of presence. The sense of presence expressing through the body is that thought. To know that you are, the words we've learned to express that is I am. And then we put the other label on it, I am Dean, the person. So when he says stay with the I am-ness, stay with the sense of presence. And can you get away from that sense of presence right now? Are you present right now? Were you present a moment ago? You weren't. That's gone. That's not presence anymore. Trying to go back.
You're present a moment in the future? That's not presence either. If something you're complying it'll happen in the next moment. It's this spontaneous instant right now. It's presence and it's not unaware. So the I am-ness is presence awareness. Are you unaware right now? No. If you're not unaware, you must be aware. Because you can't say you are not. You can say it, but when you're saying I am not, the knowingness that there's something in there that's enabling me to say it. Could I say it if there wasn't this expressing through this sense of presence, through this body, mind, pattern, which is an instrument for which it expresses?
So I'm saying without that body, mind, what's the space around you saying? It's fully knowing, fully aware, fully functioning, but it can't say anything at all without a pattern, shape and form to express truth, which is a vibration of energy on it. So you are that intelligence energy. What I call intelligence energy. I don't use the term God. Because to me that word God is a problem. The word God, because it tells you in the Bible, in the beginning was the word. And it had no words in your beginning. You can't remember your beginning without a word. That word was with God. In the beginning was the word.
The word was with God. So that word is in that beginning. That's the word. All things were made by him, by the word. And what's the word we put on that essence? Is God. But our problem is we've taken this God and said to the world, we take it to be the total intelligence energy, the totality itself. We take it to be a seeming person, a greater person. Because they said, it tells you again that God made man in his image and likeness. So that God, that one essence, expressing through that pattern and forming it as a body and a mind. And we take it, oh that's what God's like.
He's in the form of man. And you know, to be a Rhodes Scholar to work that, that's an impossibility. For one human form to express through this manifestation as everything. And we don't see him out there now moulding new planets and forming new stars and breaking down others. It's naturally expressing through them. So what was the I am-ness is that sense of presence. Don't get away from that. It's a good reminder. It's come back. Well, you think you're straying far, you're in the mind or something. Let's come back to the sense of presence. Well, I am. I am that essence. I am that reality. Where's my clock?
Yes, there is another question. This is from Mukti. Oh, there is another comment from Karuna. Thank you. That explains some of it. It is Bob who looks hurt. So stop looking hurt. Now he's just been betrayed. It's not, no voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice. No voice about feeling. Mukti says, Bob, what is the way out of taking shape? What is the way out of taking shape? 00. needs a phrase Shapes. Who wants a way out? Leave everything as it is. And altered and modified, un-corrected. John David says, Scott, thank you for caring for Bob looking out for his well being.
Bob, always love ya and now Hans says hi Bob and Pat love you both so drama seemingly continue but there is no entity entity there to experience them yeah and it was let go just as it is where's it gonna watch yeah and it and it only actually exists in the moment when the knife lands in your back you can feel the hurt but the next moment there's absolute peaceful idyllic life and we enjoy it no matter how hard they try to sport Tanya is a great heart Heyman says Heyman says Tanya is a great heart and Mukti to not identify own and cling to the patterns as being oneself they lose momentum yeah God there is like a blank in my mind seems I don't know what to think because spiritual seeking of following pleasures is the same mechanical process as achieving goals in life without just leave it as it is and unfolds what so what are you what is your next thought going to be the next feeling going to be you if you're clinging to one an old sensational feeling will stick around but there's no thoughts tissue your skull they all move on I want to just highlight it because that's a really good point worthy of remembering there's nothing more noble in spiritual seeking then in pleasure name fame and money seeking it is all the same pattern of wanting what is not of rejecting the reality as it is right now whether I see you God or I seek enlightenment or I seek to grab whatever money of Bob it doesn't really matter it's the same pattern of resisting reality and saying us it is is no good I want something different or something else Dean says thanks so much Bob God says knowing if I will get it or no knowing if I will get it or no the fact is doing you are always Already that.
That was God. But yes. That wasn't Dean. That was God. God. His name was God. Dad. God. G. So there is no one to get. There is nobody there who will ever get anything. There is empty life and empty space in there. And the idea or the mask of me thinking that there is something to get. So that mask has to fall away. And then there is no one there to get anything. So knowing whether I, the mask, will get something in future or not is completely useless. It doesn't matter. Because the mask with its knowing, its hopes and its futures is when it is recognized for being just a phantom and put aside.
There is nothing in there who wants anything. As was pointed out earlier. That. The thing I pointed. That. There is no creator. Yes. No creation. And no creature. It all appears to be so. And that's what they call this. Nama Rupa, the name and form of a phenomenal manifestation. And the dictionary definition of phenomenal is that which appears to be. Seemingly so. It's only seemingly so. We take the thing to be real and we get stuck in it. Leave it as it is. As soon as I can recognize that, drop it again. That's right. Julia says, What's amazing and inspiring to witness is how beautifully you both handle conflict with wisdom and understanding, but at the same time dealing with the situation.
Mukti says, Haha. God Potter says, Or, don't get it. Adrian says, We are love and light. Yeah. And Tass. Bob, I love what you express earlier regarding a natural merging of so-called individuals. The more I notice the freedom from the cage of concepts, the more I notice freedom from all relationships bound by the traps of the words within it. Thank you again for nurturing the capacity and strength to question. The merging is forever happening. Yeah, that's right. Yes. What did he say there again? The part of it. The more I notice freedom from the cage of concepts, the more I notice freedom from all relationships bound by the traps of the words within it.
And where's that freedom, Lodge? That freedom, it's free. It's nowhere. It's not stuck in any part whatsoever. We leave everything as it is. Unaltered. Unmodified. Unmodified. Uncorrected. Rest in its uncontrived singularity. So now, Dana says, Good on you, Kat. And Julia replying to Adrian, There is only love and light. And Tanya replying to Heyman, Thank you, Heyman. I can't take credit for that. Beautiful. Heyman, Kat is a role model of caring and protective soul. Lots of respect for you, Kat. Thank you, Heyman. And John Mukti, looking down at your body on present evidence, it can be sensed that there is no eye stitched in that body.
A great quote from Nisargadatta's guru, Siddharama Veshwar, all appears on myself. And the myself is the problem. It was only self. See how we divide it up though into myself and then another one they use is soul. S-O-U-L. I've never ever seen a soul. I don't think anybody else ever has. But I think they made a mistake of the spelling there. It should be S-O-L-E. That's a soul functioning. It's beautiful. Truly soul. One. Lonely. Only. What else? And Tass is going well and recognising the cage of concepts. And the concept is never the thing. Just a mental construct. So you free yourself of the bondage of belief, the bondage of concepts.
And the Buddhists call it that. Non-conceptual, ever fresh, presence awareness. I've taken all the concepts away from it. It's non-conceptual. I've taken the time out of it, it's ever fresh. And I think there's not the past or the future. Presence awareness, that I am-ness is there. Just this. Nothing else. Yes, so Heyman says, there is no way out of what is. And this is as good as it gets. Yes. Yes. I point that out almost every time. That there's no way out of the mind. Every way you look will always be in the mind. And the only way, when we're looking to be beyond the mind or prior to the mind, the only way out of the mind is full stop.
Yeah. Just don't go into it. That's what I say. What can you attract to yourself if there's nothing going on? Yeah. Just don't go into it. That's what I say. What can you attract to yourself if there's nothing going on? That's right. Here, Karuna says, thank you both so much. I totally get that what just happened. I feel anger hurt in the moment, but if I don't hang onto it, I remain accepting and clear. But as you say, it hurts when the knife goes in. Great teaching. Yeah. Yes. That's right. If we don't fixate on the word, it only lasts. Right. Right. That's right. But thought, feeling, and emotion are one and the same thing.
First of all, thought will be there. That'll come up. Sometimes you don't even realize you're thinking that thought. Yes. And almost immediately, the other feeling will follow. Sad thought will come up, and then the sad feeling follows. Yeah. And then that sad feeling is there long enough, and it becomes emotional. The tears will come, or an angel, whatever. It's like steam, water, and ice. So the world's functioning in the same way all the time. Different aspects. It always comes back to the one essence appearing, patterning, shaping, forming. It has everything. Yeah. Julia says, ouch, Kat. I might not have done anything, but your comment, that comment about my spiritual entertainment seeking being just the same as seeking money, hurts because I resemble that.
Well, it will, Julia, it will only hurt if you actually make a story of it. Because, you know, liking beautiful music, if you don't see it as anything wrong, doesn't really need to hurt. So spiritual entertainment is not exactly a spiritual seeking. If you enjoy a music of some birds singing, like Bob or whatever, that's not exactly... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It doesn't have to hold an opinion that it is trying to get what it's not, or trying to achieve resisting the world as it is. I didn't mean to hurt you also. I was just acknowledging what God said about the seeking one or the other.
I'm sure you know I wouldn't want to hurt you. Well, and that word resemble, what does that mean? Yeah. See, some other... Yeah. Some other person, they say, well, she's a resemblance of you, or you're a resemblance... Is that you? It's not. It only appears to be so. Are you going to take that on board? Dale says, please expand on no creator, no creation, no creature. It's phenomenal. Expand on that, please. Expand on it. Well, what's phenomenal? What appears to be? What appears to be is just a vibration. It's nothing ever been created. It only appears to be. It only appears to be so in this phenomenal manifestation.
Nothing... So there's no creator of it, no entity there that's patterning, shaping and forming it. It's just vibrating into all these patterns, shapes and forms. That's the pure intelligence that's suffusing it. Just by, you know, it doesn't probably doesn't even realize that it's forming it in all these different shapes, patterns and forms. Yeah. No creator, no creation, and no creature. And what are we? We are patterns, shapes and forms, aren't we? Yeah. But we believe we are these creatures, creatures. And then we reply there's a god or a creator that's formed us. Yeah. And there's this pattern, shape and form that the seeming world is all appears in.
That's the creation. How real is the world? It's like a dream. Yeah. All like a dream. And that's one of the analogies that points to itself. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the Sargadatta breaks it down again. He says, when I know that I am nothing, he's seen through it that there's no creator, no creation, and no creature. And that is wisdom. When I know that I am everything, that is love. Mm-hmm. So when partially everything, you're only liking certain parts. Mm-hmm. If you love that you are everything, then you're not separate from anything, so you must be love. And he says between those two, that's what it vibrates, between those two concepts of the gauge, wisdom and love, my mind, between those two, the constant vibration is going on.
And we're either in one end or the other or somewhere in between. We're taking a stance somewhere, not leaving everything be as it is. Mm-hmm. If nothing is taking delivery of it… Mm. …what happens to it? It moves on. There is a question from Michael. How can we know whether we are resisting or not resisting reality? Don't I have to know what reality is first? We might be resisting without being aware of it, what do you say? Yeah. Yes. Well… Yes. …and when resist…so-called resistance comes up… Yes. You won't, you'll be aware of the resistance. Yes. What are you resisting? Yeah. You're aware of the anger.
You're aware of the hate or love or guilt or joy. There's an awareness of all these so-called vibrations with the words we put on them all that. But if you say, see that is an instantaneous, spontaneous functioning. Nothing to fixate on. What's going to happen to it? If there's no resistance there, where are you? You must be in that spaciousness, that emptiness without resistance. No conflict. That's what happens. Resistance, conflict and disease. The conflict makes you uneasy. And isn't that another name for disease? Disease is uneasy. Laziness or anxiousness or fear or guilt. It's all based on the word when you look into it. In the beginning was the word.
Without these labels we've learnt and put on them, what are you? You are no thing. No pattern, no shape, no form. But we take the word no thing to be a vacuum, a void. But it's not fattening, shaping, forming into anything. Anything or something. Anything. And the emptiness in it is the form. That's all. The form is the emptiness. Are they separated? Also, I'll just add that if there is no awareness of resistance, there's no conflict. There's no problem. Because if we look at, let's say, young soldiers full of glory and love for their country going and protecting their homes or fighting, or if we see a young herd of wolves or gorillas defending their territory, there is no resistance to that.
There is no resistance to that. There is a function. There is a functioning. And that functioning is just part of life. It's the same way as we have to push the door to open it. And there is the resistance, it's nothing wrong. The problem starts only when there is a split, when there is separation. When there is me versus the world. Now there is two of them, me and the world. If there is no awareness of that split, there is no split. That split is only in the concepts. So if there is no awareness of resistance, I would say there is no resistance. In the way as we recognize the resistance.
Because the idea to know the reality first, to know whether I resisted or not, reinforces that split. Because now I want to define the reality. So I am outside of the reality, defining it. So this is already a split. This is already separation. Of course, for a moment I may like it, but the next moment I won't like it. And then relationship goes on. So really the resistance is a wonderful feedback mechanism. When there is a sense of problem or sense of resistance, it's a good word, not wanting what is in the body, that is already an invitation to investigate. Oh, okay, there is a split already happening.
Me versus the world and me not disliking or not liking the world. If there is no idea that anything is wrong, if there is nothing wrong, there's no need to investigate. Because there is no. There is no separation. And this is a noble thought to want to know reality for what it is. But you are the reality. You can't know it. So this is a paradox because everything we ever learned, we learned as we give it a symbol, we give it a name and this is something that appears in consciousness. So the world appears in consciousness and now I appear in the world. Not really.
If there is no I, there is no world. If there is no body-mind that connects, there is no world. There is no body-mind that connects. You can see, hear, taste, touch, smell the world. What can I say about the world? I can have the theoretical idea that maybe there is some objective reality. But what is that theoretical idea? This is a mental construct. And here we are about experiential knowledge of reality as it is. And the only direct knowledge of it we can have is the being. And now if we don't split the being into My being versus What is, that is the only direct knowledge of it we can have is the Being.
And now, if we don't split the Being into My Being versus What is, that is the only versus worlds being, there's just that one inseparable, unseparated, boundless being. And this requires no concepts, no understanding, no further definitions, because it's immediate. Very good. The definition of reality is that which never changes. So what's the constant change? What's the pattern change before? What never changes? The essence in which everything appears in. The cognising emptiness or the silence or the stillness. They're labels you put on us, but they don't define them. But everything else that comes and goes is changing. Yes. And the definition of reality is that which never changes.
So is there a time when you were not? You can go back and try and conceptualise a past. Say I was and so and so and is there a time when you were not? you will not be. You can try and imagine and anticipate, but you'll never know for certain. Well the only fact that you really do know of, which has never changed, is the sense of presence right now. I have a comment from Heyman. Bob taught me, keep out of it even when it is painful, and that implies his trust to the oneness. And Richard says, go to the top of the class Heyman.
Sam is asking, can you explain the relationship of vibration with the self? Vibration, what words can you say without vibration? Can you take a breath without vibration? Can your heart expand or contract without vibration? Can there be an earth you're standing on without vibration? What's vibration? It's saying that somewhat, or a little bit, you're standing on a earth without vibration. It's a lot of a movement. It's not a full movement, because I don't really have a beginning and an end. But when does now begin? As you say, you're grasping it right now, it's already ending, isn't it? And that is there already ending, you grasp it again.
So even though it's seemingly going on in the head or in the mind or around you, it's not. It's all that cognising emptiness. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the emptiness starts to... Mm-hmm. Yeah. ...describe it or put a label or shape or form on it through the words we've learned. And that takes us away from this immediacy, this presence right now. That's right. This spontaneity. Mm-hmm. It's ever fresh, ever new. Not time-bound. No beginning, no end. The emptiness is form. So still, this is forming things through the subtle vibration. And form is nothing but the emptiness. Mm-hmm. So we can't say it's real or unreal. Mm-hmm. Like the image in the mirror, you can't say it's not there.
But you can't say it is there. Yeah. And when it's there, you can like it or dislike it, love it or hate it or do what you like with it. Mm-hmm. But there's ever anything other than that image in the mirror. And that's what I've got to tell you. Nothing can trouble you except your own imagination. Take any one of those pointers that he says and look into them, and they'll tell you that you're not there. Mm-hmm. And they'll take you home. Yeah. Which you've never left anyway. All we can do is become aware of our true nature. Mm-hmm. And you're not unaware right now, so you must be aware.
But what's blocking it? What's stopping it? The other concepts you put on it. Mm-hmm. And words. Let it rest in its uncontrived singularity. Yeah. Without contriving any words, concepts or ideas, relax into it. To what is right in this moment. Add an aspect because it is actually an interesting example and it's probably a really good point to highlight. Vibration versus self. Relationship of vibration with the self. And the self is written in capital S, so it kind of signifies what maybe Zen calls mind or the totality. It actually shows how quickly we can get entangled. And I remember a question that I had when I was a child.
I think Judith asked once, what's the difference between the God and awareness or between awareness and consciousness or awareness and stillness and emptiness and vibration and life? They're all the same. It's all only one. So if there is only one, we can call it life. Or we can call it vibration or movement. Or we can call it self as a totality. Or we can say there is a small self which is a mask. And there are different vibrations, different influences, different events. Mm-hmm. And so, the vibration is like a movement of life. Like Bob calls it intelligence energy. But those are all labels. None of it is what it points.
So they are just words that can either show the right direction or they can completely misguide because the vibration and the self are not two. They're just one way of saying. We can say that as a mask or as the transmitter receiving the message, we can say that we are the same. Mm-hmm. And so, the light is the transmitter receiver body mind unit. I can be aware of different vibrations because light is a vibration. So everything I see, I see as the impulses there on the back of my mind which are, or brain, whatever. The sounds, they're also vibrations. The movements, they're all vibrations. So we could say that the self is aware of vibrations.
But at the same time, there is no self. It is only a vibration, something made of different patterns or different habits or different behaviors or different things. Mm-hmm. Or different behaviors or reactions that seems to be a solid unit within that has the control and free will and power and whatever. So ultimately, we have to really be careful with defining words if we want to use it. So vibration, the way Bob is pointing out to it, is the movement that is behind the whole manifestation, the whole manifested world. That is how it came into existence by vibrating and it constantly comes into existence by vibrating emptiness, shaking and pulsating and becoming a form.
And a self, we can call it self here. There is one self, you often say. There is no separate self, individual self. It's one self, the soul, one self. That would be also that emptiness cognizing or emptiness forming. Mm-hmm. So the one is the ultimate answer. If there is one, there is no relationship. Heyman replying to Richard, the problem is there is no difference in degrees. We are all stuck in one. Yeah, you can't go to the top of the class. Mukti, is that the flow, thought goes to sentient feeling then becomes emotion? Is that the flow, thought goes to sentient feeling then becomes emotion?
Yeah, thought, feeling, emotion, and thought. Yeah. And it goes on into the recognition of it. I think it was St. Paul that says, when I was a child, I thought as a child, I spoke as a child, I acted as a child. And when I became a man, I put away childish things. Yes. So you grow out of all this conceptual thinking. Mm, yeah. And go into the natural state. Mm-hmm. And you become a man. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. when there is no story about it. Absolutely. Absolutely. If not for the long seeking, the appreciation wouldn't have been that great when the seeking ended. It is even a funny Buddhist analogy. If you want to know enlightenment, walk a thousand miles in a stone in your shoe and then take it off. Yes, it's unburdening yourself. That's the enlightening, not something we're going to... See, we go about it the wrong way. We think we're going to acquire something through praying, through meditating, through doing Sava, through all these concepts and all these things. It keeps it going because the me is trying to get something and it can't because there's no me for a start-up.
But when you relieve yourself of the burden of thinking, feeling, tasting, touching, smelling, let it be. Yes, Dale is asking, again, could you please speak more on no creation, no creator, it is phenomenal manifestation. Speak even more on that. Well, what can I say? Who is the creator? What do you believe the creator is? Is it some old guy in the sky? Is it something? Or is it natural, spontaneous, vibrating, forming, the forms, patterns, shapes and things which don't last? Mm-hmm. They're constantly transient. So you can't say anything is created. And if there's nothing created, there's no creator, what can be created? So what's your idea of a creator?
And what comes from this creator and creation is the creature, creature. And that's what we call ourselves and all the things. That's a creature. It's a human creature. That's a bird. That creature is a bird. All these creatures, are really only vibrating patterns. Again, that have no substance or independent nature. We might think that, you know, the last 50 or 60 years or 100 years, but what does it say again in the scriptures? A thousand years in night sight are like yesterday when it's past. Or a watch in the mind. What's a watch in the night? Watch in the night might be an hour or two hours.
a long time, but it's not nothing at all. Yeah, there is, you wanted to add something? There's another question from Rohan. So we see in some people that the hurt, anger and resentment sits there so long that they seem to manifest as cancer and other physical ailments. Is this part of natural functioning also? Yes. I would also be very careful, Rohan, to say to someone like Ramana Maharshi, oh you got a cancer because you are an angry man. Dogs have cancers today. There is a lot of other, you probably write prolonged stress creates certain chemistry in the body that may manifest as different ailments, but we have to really be careful of diagnosing things because again it is the whole universe that contributes to a cancer.
It could be asbestos in the wall, it could be pollution in the air, it could be mental pollution, it could be electromagnetic pollution. There's thousand, thousand things cooperating together that create ailment. And because animals have it as well, we can't say that this is only thought based. And also I know people personally who at some point in life said that cancer was the best thing that ever happened to them. One of them survived and became an Amazon, another one didn't. But the last part of living with the cancer was transformational. See, it's the label we put on them again. Now cancer is something that eats away at the body.
Virus is something again that feeds on the body. And so, I think that's the thing that we need to be careful of. If you see there are just changing patterns in the body without putting the label on them. The word is not the thing. And putting the word that this is cancer, one appears worse than the other, just like fear and anger. And something else will appear different with the label we put on them because the different energy will go into them. Well the same energy but utilised in different ways. And again, it's the label that feeds on the body. And again, even the fact of spirit and matter.
The duality of that is the problem. When you see spirit as essence, and essence is nothing, just a flavour sort of thing, and matter is seemingly solid. When you see that spirit and matter are one and the same thing. Different attitudes to it. Sin, disease, corruption, contamination. They're all labels we put on them with different meanings. Instead of seeing it all as the one essence, expressing. Is the one essence we're not putting that label cancer on it. What is it then? And who is it appearing to? Who's got the idea of putting the label on it? There's just something out there. A woman is saying, Bob and Kat, I feel pain when you feel pain and I feel great when you feel great.
Tell me, is that fake love? Or real love? Or a mix of both? He says he's feeling great when we feel great and he feels pain when we feel pain. Is that real love or fake love? Or a mixture of both? Well, who is it happening to? Is there a me or him? Anyone it's happening to? And if it's not, it's just what is, isn't it? You find a victim for it, let it go on, it will appear more real. Yes, and if that is the way that the life manifests in you for the moment, then I really hope and wish that any time you don't know how we feel, you think we feel great, so you feel great too.
Because we usually do feel great. Yeah, everything is a manifestation. Whatever it feels if you don't give it a definition, just enjoy whatever shows up. That will be easy. And Mukti says, and the thought is just the energy of life, is neutral, is interacting with pattern, shape and form of our nervous system. The thought interacting with nervous system. Well, you know, to speak through the phone, it's got to go through something near, isn't it? Magnifies the words. So that's all of the body might is, the nervous system and all that, the energy going through them. Without the life essence, what can a body do? It's a corpse.
So it's the life, the one essence of life, or the presence awareness, or the consciousness, whatever label you like to put on it, is functioning in the what? Doing the what? And that gets lost sight of whether we define it further into finer patterns. All words, put many different labels on them. It's just the functioning. Emptiness is form, and the form, forms are the emptiness. But if they change the train, the emptiness, change from anything other than the form, it hasn't. As the form was, form itself being anything other than the emptiness. It really hasn't. And it's not just that one pattern interacts with another pattern.
Everything interacts with everything. So the idea of thought is not just interacting with the nervous system, which is of course the neurotransmitters in the brain, and whatever pain receptors. It also needs the skin. It also needs the eyes, the ears. It needs all of it. I mean, it is totality dancing with itself. You say it, you see it, that there is a thought pattern, and there is a whatever the computer or the radio that is interpreting that thought pattern. But is everything else also included? The gravity of the planet is also included. Without that gravity of the planet, the interaction between the thought and nervous system, and the skin, and the eyes, and the ears, and the sun, and everything else wouldn't happen.
So it is good to see the seeming relationship. But once you start including everything else, the relationship fades, and it becomes just a dance, just an ocean waving. And that's kind of a little bit defeats the understanding, the logical understanding that may be helpful at some point, but it just beautifully opens it up. Know that it is constantly changing. It's all transient. Even that body that's there right now, not the same body when we started this talk an hour or so ago. There are thousands of cells dying in it right now, at this moment. And being replaced. Being replaced right at this moment. And each replacement is a fuse of that intelligence energy.
It's knowing what to do. And it's doing what needs to be done. Yes, so we have a couple of questions from God Potter, saying that the consciousness of the knowing doesn't realize what it is manifesting. No, well the manifestation is only appearance. It's only seeming to be so. There's nothing static. There's nothing static about anything. Try and find a center to yourself. Or try and find a center to anything that's static. There's nothing there. It's constantly transient. That's the nature of this vibration. So it's constantly changing. And what it's expressing through, how, you know, what intelligence that pattern is suffused with. Some patterns are a lot smarter than others.
Some not quite so. There are all sorts of different patterns. It expresses as much as it can and will do through the particular pattern. If you've got a light bulb with forty watts in it, and you put a thousand watts through it, it's not going to take it, is it? Yes. So Sally says, I remember as a child wondering if this was all a dream or if it was real. I wonder if children know and then we forget as adults. That's right. Children do know. You know, they're living, breathing and functioning naturally without the words. When they learn words instead of their parents telling me you're already that, they say go out there, acquire, amass, accumulate, add to, learn this and learn that, and trying to become something.
Intention is to become instead of be. Constantly. So then we learn the words. Sam is replying to Michael. That was a great question. If you negate everything, even negating reality, it will lead you back to reality. That's the end point. Nothing can be added to it. Nothing can take it away. It's just as it is. Heyman says, I am that I am, even if I am a gorilla. You are funny, Heyman. Tanya says, resistance is futile. That says Richard from the Daleks. Dale says, thank you Bob. I have thinking that the creative intelligence was creating everything. A creator intelligence is the same as creator God.
Ha ha ha. It is no thing vibrating and shaping into the patterns and forms. Thank you. We wouldn't call it things if we didn't have that word. Yes. Does the cat say that's a chair or that's the carpet? It knows what it is, but it hasn't got the words or discriminating labels on it. You mean the kitten. The kitten. Yeah, not you. So, Heyman says, even being a gorilla, yes, but still I am. Futile is resistance. And God says, consciousness is an author of a manifestation without knowing he is an author. Without even being he. Because there is no singular author. It is, I would just say maybe, if you look at the ocean, does the ocean know it is waving?
Does it have the consciousness of individual waves? It may experience the air as individual waves, because the ocean generally doesn't. But the knowing the way we understand it, through logic and through language, is partially experienced by the human being. Experienced by the consciousness through us. And us, us. But, making a theoretical statement about consciousness, being conscious or unconscious, can be misleading. I personally like to see it this way. Awareness is unconscious. It needs consciousness to become conscious. But it's just a figure of speech. It is just a mental or verbal masturbation, really. That's all it is. It's better to just land in a place where the analyzing stops.
And it is just as it is. Does the word sound know that it is sound? Does the word water know that it is water? Yes, Heyman says, the world appears in itself, by itself, through itself, as itself, on itself. Beautiful. That is just what is. Julia replies, I am not a person. I am just lying to Dale. Dale, if God is omnipresent, there is only God. And Karuna says, why not speak together instead of jumping into frame and out again. You compliment each other beautifully. Thank you Karuna. We were actually working, Bob was suggesting it earlier, but there is no way I could read the comments sitting against the light.
I just have to go around the phone and read what you are saying. Whatever the questions are. But thank you. Yes, time is up. Thank you. Yes, it seems the opposite word for vibration is non-duality term is stillness. And Tanya is taking for Karuna's input, what is never was, Heyman says. Heyman is still struggling with this concept. Julia, the answer is not in the mind. Sailor Bob. And oh my gosh, we have so many comments. What is, is there is. There is only what is. And Tanya says, wow, so wonderfully put all the pointers and insight silence through and leaves me speechless. So much love and gratitude to you both and everyone else here for sharing and expressing non-duality so wonderfully.
Love you all so much. Why not? Because everything is that. Yes. And now this phrase is pointing to the fact that what arises is all there is as existence. And because it is only what arises in existence, so there is no other version of it and therefore no way out and no one separate from it to go out. Attention, attention, take it easy. It's just a show without actor and directing. Well said, Heyman. Immediately is all there is. Thank you so much. It was great. Heyman says, I am a verbal masturbator sometimes. Take that label off. Okay. Thank you everyone. Thank you everyone. Beautiful.