O niedualności. Rozmowy Kasi z Grzegorzem.

The following interview is based on the I will tell you that our conversations are very interesting and you gave me a lot to think about. But when it comes to what you say here, you also have to be careful about it, because ego and mind are clever and, as I wrote to you, clever and cunning. They will create an illusion of everything you want, even the fact that you are enlightened and at home, they will even create a so-called void for you. You have to be careful about it all and be careful about it. So I greet you warmly and I hope for an equally nice answer.

Greetings. Hey! I just came back from shopping and I listened to your message. I am very pleased that you warn, that you show concern. Only when you start to look closely at what the ego is, it will turn out that it is the ego that is the illusion. Not ego creates illusions, but ego is an illusion. And everything that is connected to this illusion is connected to ego. Therefore, the illusion of being enlightened is impossible. Because who would be enlightened if there is no one at home? There is no one. If someone says that he is enlightened, then of course he doesn't understand what enlightenment is.

There are no enlightened people or enlightened egos. In one word enlightenment is a state in which there is no unit, no person or ego, or any association with anything. It is simply a pure life that looks at oneself, experiences oneself. There is no one. There is no one else. No one is separated. And no one is enlightened. Greetings. Super Kasia, thanks for the answer, really very very nice answer. I listened to it, I will tell you honestly, twice. You speak very well. I see it in the way that ego is of course an illusion, but this illusion, this art master, this illusionist creates another illusion.

And as you say, there is practically no enlightenment. If someone says that he is enlightened, he is living another illusion. So this is an illusion that makes another illusion. I see it in this way, I don't know about you, that everything that can be expressed in words, everything that can be thought about is an illusion. If we talk about this emptiness, about the fact that there is no one at home, there is no one to be enlightened, it is also a game, a game of ego and illusion. Ego, which is also an illusion. That ego is an illusion, I completely agree with that, but everything that can be expressed in words according to me is an illusion.

That's how I see it. Great. Well, that's the clarity. There is only one thing that can be known without the mind, it is the fact of your existence, pure being. You know that you are. If you try not to be, you will not succeed. You are. Now the question of what you are is already an illusion. Everything you say that you are a body, a mind, a pen, a Pole, a man, it's all an illusion. Being itself is real. The illusion is the rest, which is after the statement of I am. So returning to pure being and being itself, pure existence, is truth, is remaining in truth, but then you are nobody, or you don't know who you are.

Kasia, you are right, I totally agree with you, but there is one more thing, as far as I understand it, a small note, as I said, everything that can be expressed in words is an illusion, a delusion, in my opinion. Therefore, being is, of course, being is truth, as you say, but being without words, without words, because words are just delusion, illusion. And that's how I see it. In my opinion, being, being, not who I am, because who I am is another illusion, but being is inexpressible in words. And if we try, because it is basically only an ego attempt to express this being, it is an illusion, and that's how I see it and feel it.

See, Kasia, many mystics, Buddha, Jesus even, such was also a mystic, you certainly associate Osho. For example, they asked Jesus, for example, what is truth, what is being. There was a specific question, what is truth. Jesus just kept silent, he missed silence. Buddha also, as far as I know, they asked about what is truth, what is existence. The existence has missed this silence because it is incomprehensible I mean it is understandable but it is inexpressible and indefinable it is inexpressible And each attempt to express it is an ego just another delusion Well, indeed, it is an important clarification. It is important that you see it, it is important that you know it.

Indeed, saying being is just a clue to which direction to look, because the word being is not being. Well, I also like our conversations, I forgot to add. Thanks. Thank you. It can be a guide to look in which direction, and it can also be an obstacle, an illusion. That's why he uses this word in different contexts. For example, in Hinduism, we have sat-chitananda, which means being, awareness, love, or joy of being. It's not just about being completely neutral and unconscious, it's being with awareness. But of course, as you know, every word is just a word, not a reality. The word consciousness is a set of letters, not consciousness.

The word being is a set of letters, not what it indicates. Of course, every word, if you believe in the word, you can stutter and there is an obstacle. The word water is not water, you can't drink it. Therefore, you have to be careful about the mind, the word, the indications. All of them have their limitations. But there are no better ways. Sometimes silence also leads nowhere. Therefore, using words, indications is helpful. As we have already established, the word being is not being, but it can be a guide, it can be a direction in which one should look. But what is it with a guide?

I am not a guide. Yes, Kasia, if you look in the direction you need to go and follow this path, you forget about the guide and you just walk this path and you are not attached to these words. Therefore, if we stop at this guide, at these words, it can be a very big obstacle, but it can also be very helpful. However, these words are not important. The most important thing is the experience. But these things are not fully definable. It is risky to assume that there is a way or a path and that you have to go there. Because it is assumed that there is someone who goes that path and a place to reach, where someday in the future he will find something that he has never lost.

But you know, these are just words. Here we are talking about how to get tangled, how to be careful with words. These are the things that we have already explained, Kasia, and everything is clear when it comes to that. However, you said such a thing about silence, that sometimes silence leads to nowhere. And it really is so, but I understand it in this way, that silence leads to nowhere when it is only external silence, it is a lack of sound. And inside there is still a haramider in the mind, thoughts are being pressed and a man is being crushed in these thoughts. So there is still internal dialogue and there is simply no inner silence.

However, when it comes to the fact that there is no one who experiences it, then it is already achieved in my opinion when you achieve this inner silence. That is, there is simply no thought, there is no sense of any, there is silence, just inner silence, I agree with you, because I take from thoughts. You will definitely agree with it. And if there is no thought, there is no me. There is being. You are right, I agree 100%. Absolutely. Speaking that the silence leads to nowhere, I had rather the context of the search for the cause. I don't know if you know, my husband and I have meetings three times a week, where people come to us who try to find themselves in this non-duality.

And you have to point them in some way, you have to point them in the direction, you have to point them in the place where there is no place, the truth that cannot be expressed. Sometimes silence can cause them to get involved in their own stories, thoughts and dramas and they won't see anything. There were saints and enlightened ones who sat quietly and some of them were hit by this silence, but most of them didn't. They needed a shaman who would confront them or Christ who would enlighten them with an example. I was thinking about silence in the sense that you are talking about. Of course I agree.

When there is no thought, there is no me. When there is inner silence, there is only truth and there is nothing. There is no one who is silent and there is no one who experiences this silence. There is only experience, not the experienced one, but the experience itself, The very existence the seeing the hearing the being itself without the subject and the object There is no division separation separation This is a natural state This is the state in which nature works This is how the sun, trees, flowers, air, animals work. And this is how a baby works when it is just born, before it learns that it is separate.

You explained it nicely with this silence. You, Kasia, also translate very nicely and I am very happy that I met such a kumat person when it comes to these matters, because you translate it really great, simply, clearly and so clearly and clearly, at least when it comes to me. Great. So I am very happy that I met you and I think that we will still convey a lot of cool things. However, as far as the non-human being is concerned, as long as he or she does not learn that he or she is separate, we are in fact, it is called socialization in society. It is simply society that imposes certain limits to us, certain limitations that we simply believe in later.

And this is already such a group process of addiction and limiting a person. This is already a mega illusion. Yes, of course, the whole process of conditioning people, training them, teaching them, is all about putting them in sleep, about separation, isolation, about ego. But there is also one very funny aspect of the whole situation. This is how consciousness or life organized it, because if there was no sleep, there would be no awakening. It's a funny aspect. Then it turns out that even sleep, even conditioning, even suffering, there is no mistake in anything. It's all exactly as it was supposed to be, as it should be.

It's all... and there's one big joke in it. In general, the topic of society is a rather broad topic. OSHO denies a lot when it comes to various machinations, manipulations, I am very interested in the fact that people who become themselves and stop living the ego become so dangerous for society and for the institution. And this is a fact. However, I will tell you that you have certainly heard about it, Kasiu, that in addition to the individual ego, there is also such a group ego, social ego. We put on many masks when it comes to life in society. I will say, Kasiu, yes, it is a joke, of course, when it comes to existence and life, being, but it can only be seen from the level of what you are, because I at least perceive you and feel that from the level of such an awakened, From the level of the unconscious, it is simply a tragedy and misfortune of these people in this dream, in this separation.

It is both and both together. However, from the level of awakening, it is a joke. And everything is as it should be. You are right. And this is also a nice element that is worth observing. To see that there is no one ego. That this ego simply changes shapes as they play. Every mechanism of the body and mind wears different masks. You can have a different mask, a different personality for the mother, a different one for the child, a different one for the boss, a different one for the subordinate. There is no such thing as ego, it is fluid. It just fits completely to what a moment requires.

And of course there is a collective mentality, there is a national mentality, there is a group mentality. All these things are thousands of patterns, one on the other, like waves, like waves of different frequencies that overlap and dance. But when you see what they are, they stop being dangerous. They start to be funny, they start to be beautiful. You see the dance, the dance of patterns, shapes. And everyone is at this level when they stop thinking. It's not like someone woke up. Awakening is about not having someone else. That there is just life. It just flows, dances, expresses itself, does what it wants. And there is no person who refers to it as it happened to me, that the world does it to me, or that it is important to me.

Everyone is already there, already exists, already is fully aware and awakened, but does not know, because he believes that there is somewhere inside some I, to which all this relates. But after all, when we go to sleep, the I disappears. When we are busy with some pleasant activity or some hard work, this comment, this inner dialogue, disappears. So each of us has many, many moments throughout the day and throughout our lives when we don't relate to anything, when we are already in a natural state. As you gave the example of this wave, that these waves stop being dangerous when you see that these are waves, only waves, i.e.

illusions, the same is with me. The I may exist, but you simply do not identify with it. This is the key word, you identify with this I and you do not treat it as truth. You see that it is an illusion that I am an illusion you are an illusion are just a delusion waves on the ocean of existence on the ocean of life on the ocean of being I can be brief, because it's almost noon and a friend of ours comes to lunch. We just finished making a salad for lunch and I'll have to run away. It depends on what you think of me, because some people think that I am a set of personality, habits, patterns, memories.

And now if it is such a mental construct, then indeed the key role is to see it as what it is, it will not disappear then, but there will be no identification, because you are looking, and not this mental construct. However, you can also treat I as a natural state, i.e. pure being, then it will not disappear, because you can not stop being. The saying I am is pure being. Of course, there is no such thing as I, there is only I am. But that's the point, how you look at it. But I see that you understand the subject very well, so there is nothing to be more precise about it.

I always compare it with the mechanism of the action of a lie, because a lie is just an illusion of some kind. The illusion is a lie. These are synonyms. Lies are dangerous when you start to believe in them. Treat them as truth. But a lie that is hidden from the public is no longer dangerous. It is without the proverbial thorn that can harm. However, if you are aware of the lie, the lie is masked, it ceases to be a problem, it becomes a joke, as you said, very cleverly. Okay, I will add a very, very cool, very accurate attention and a nice example with this lie.

I like it very much. We use quite similar things sometimes at our meetings, for example, faith in St. Nicholas. You once believed in St. Nicholas, it seemed that he is the truth. At some point you stopped believing in him, it doesn't mean that all the Nicosians disappeared, that there were no gifts. There were. But it is known that this is an illusion, that this is a phantom. Similarly, when it comes to the phenomenon of flat earth and many, many other things that once a person believed in, and today he no longer believes. I wanted to tell you such an interesting thing that I am interested in something, I mean I was interested in something more than ever before, you have definitely heard of personal development.

This is a development that is focused on being better and better, the best version of yourself, etc. But at some point I discovered that it is such a manipulation of myself and the development of my own self in such a positive way, in other words, such a positive thinking and in general that it is a shock normally. So it is such an illusion, only such a positive illusion built on strong sides, in general on positive thinking and in general. It's nothing but strengthening your ego, your ego, thinking, positive thinking, constructive thinking, to be a better version of yourself. In fact, it is strengthening your own ego.

So if you had a connection with it, Kasia, you would have met it for sure and you would have realized what it is. That's why you have to be aware of it. It's mainly manipulation of yourself. And people who promote something like that and often earn money on people who want to develop and strengthen their ego, They manipulate them or manipulate others in such a way that they manipulate themselves. It is as it is. Kasia often talks about people who develop personally and strive for goals, become better in themselves. Often we talk about them, you certainly associate them with people of success, right? And these are people with a pumped up ego, just like that, positively.

So that's how it looks in all this. Very often, Kasia, also in development, so-called spiritual development, It is even more subtle pumping of ego and strengthening of subtle and very strong ego. You will surely agree with that. And speaking of ego, I was just thinking about the illusion of ego. It is something incredible, a masterpiece literally, when it comes to illusions. Because from this root of ego, because this illusion of ego is the root of the whole illusion, which is ego. All other illusions are taking place. You take out the root and the end is simply with the remaining illusions, with the remaining part of this tree.

So, I say, the very first recognition of the illusion of the I is already very much. And what's next? Well, you just have to wait until it spreads and in general. I say that the feeling of myself is created by the society. As children, when we come to the school,

There is no such expanded self yet. I don't know if you noticed. However, later, in the framework of socialization, upbringing, we are given a name, a sense of self, it is strengthened, it is more structured. So, this community creates it and I strengthen myself then. It is such a maximal illusion. We identify with each other, we embrace each other.

Sorry, I didn't manage to write to you today, because people came one after the other. Today I worked all day. But you explained it very nicely, you said nicely about the root of all illusions, Subtlety pumping the ego through spiritual development. Indeed, that's how it looks like. Ultimately, for pure consciousness it doesn't matter if a person is healthy or not, if he has a gymnastic body, a gymnastic mind. It sometimes matters for the comfort of sleep, but not for awakening. Often people think that this is a fundamental matter. No, these are two different matters. You understand all of this very well, there is no need to repeat it.

Greetings, bye. Hello Kasia, thank you very much for the answer and thank you for the good word from you. I will tell you that you understand a lot about these matters, because I even say that you understand it better than me. I am very much in need of positive energy from you and understanding, which is very important. You help me a lot, so thank you very much. I have one more question for you. Recently, some time ago, but now it's coming back to me, because I'm learning something like listening, specifically active listening, I am very interested in listening, because I think it is a lost art when it comes to interpersonal communication.

Tell me what you think about listening, is it worth developing it, how do you approach it, in general, how do you see it? How do you see the matter of listening, especially active listening, if you know what I mean exactly? Active listening is not so much hearing as listening to someone. In theory, I understand it quite well, but I would like to know your opinion, because you have a strong understanding when it comes to many things. I would like to hear your advice. Tell me what you think about it. We will see how our conversation will go on. I consider listening to someone is very important, it is one of the elements of empathy in a person.

It is very important. I am very interested in your opinion, your suggestions and your understanding. I greet you very warmly, Kasia. Once again, thank you for your answer, for your kind words. I am waiting for your answer. I greet you warmly. Hello, I've just heard your message. You're right, listening is an absolutely crucial matter. We often tell people at meetings that until they learn to listen properly, they won't hear anything. Because we often see people who refer to what Bob says nodding their head. It means that they are currently calculating in their head, comparing it with what they have heard before and they agree or disagree with what they hear.

This is not listening, this is calculation, it is simply the computer working at this moment and performing its machinations. There is no listening, there is interpretation, there is comparison. Listening is completely devoid of any distinction, it is just a complete openness. And such openness causes that not only words penetrate and not only are they understood in an intellectual way, But the whole wave, the whole frequency of this message reaches the source, reaches the heart, resonates and this kind of listening can really transport the consciousness to the level that is transmitted originally. It also happens, we also see it, when a person suddenly resonates with what he has heard and opens up, his mind opens up completely, critical thinking, i.e.

analysis, comparison, stops and truth is known directly, not through the mind, not through the ego, not through calculations, interpretations. These are the most joyful moments when it happens and when we see it. And this is bliss. Because with this understanding, this true nature begins to shine, begins to manifest itself. Later of course the brain returns the mind returns and it interprets it And in a moment a person says I had experience and not the experience was here because of me because I disappeared for a moment because ego closed for a moment But it's hard, that's another thing. Then this active listening, the more often you repeat, the more you root, the more you do as if such a natural thing.

And you're right, it also applies to empathy, it applies to everything. The ability to push yourself away, to get out of the way and to be at the heart level, to be completely in this space, the field of reception, is probably the most important feature that you can work on. Kasia, you have a great understanding. I will listen to it again, what you sent me here, because it should absorb what you say, because something is not right. I don't know if I understood it well, but it's really great what you said. Excellent understanding. Really. I will tell you that what you say, that if you don't listen well, you won't hear.

This is true. And I think that the real listening comes from the heart, the speaking comes from the ego. And in my opinion, as I wrote to you above, I will read it, I don't know how you think, In my opinion listening is connected with humility to our own ignorance, that is, with humility that we simply do not know many things yet and with sincere love for the truth. True listening is also connected with sincere love for the truth. And of course, as I said, with humility to our own ignorance. You know what I'm talking about. As I said, from ego, from I, from I, from ego, there is speaking, and very often excessive speaking.

Listening is humility, heart, it's true listening, with attention, interest, even interest. And openness, openness that you're talking about, full openness to reality, to existence. So, great, great, great. Thank you very much. Exactly, you expressed it very well. You have instincts and I can see that you resonate. So, damn, you're doing well with this learning. Well, great. I'm going to work now. So, I greet you and good night. Thank you very much, Kasia. I don't know much more. I'm still learning. I'm learning from people like you, just amazing for me. Thank you very much. I have a day off today, so I'm at home. I want to tell you that I'm reading a nice book now.

I mean, I'm reading two books. I'm reading one very good book about Tantra and its understanding of reality. An incredibly conscious mystic. I am starting to read Eckhart Tolle's book, Power of Presence. You have probably heard about him. I will tell you that all the greatest mystics point out one thing, that there is really nothing to look for. Everything is already there. So the question is not really about searching, finding it or something, because how can you find something that is already there, it was all the time, it is and it will be. So here it is, this is how it all looks. And all the greatest mystics, and you too, Kasia, you will certainly admit that this is how things are.

So it is eternal now, eternal now, and the rest is just a mind, a mind, thoughts, an illusion of the self. And from this comes the duality, the duality, the whole game, the reality, the joke, the wave on the ocean, the joke of existence, i.e. the illusion. Hello, I have just heard your earlier messages about Osho and Eckhart and the message they are talking about. I know Eckhart, I read his books 15 years ago, and I met him in Melbourne, but we don't talk with each other. I like him very much, although sometimes I promise people the future, there is a second book, but you know, to have thousands of people who will follow him, it is necessary.

I write very clearly and clearly in the power of the present and I see that it reaches you completely, because what you say is exactly the essence of truth. Searching stands on an obstacle, the seeker is an obstacle. What you are looking for has never been lost, it is always just lost here. Hello Kasia, thank you very much for the answer. In fact, as you say, the seeker is an obstacle, and some things are missed. But I will tell you that the reality is what it is and it has never been lost. For sure. I will tell you that it is hard to experience it because intellectually I mean I believe that you experienced it I know it intellectually and I feel this reality But as I wrote to you here, I will return to the thought that thinking is such an obstacle very often.

You don't say that it's self-thinking, but it is very often an obstacle to the unimaginable experience of reality as it is. I think you will agree with this, because you wrote to me that it is a thought-out and convenient work hypothesis at the beginning. For me, this thinking blocks me from experiencing the reality as it is. Tell me one more thing, because you wrote that when the identity is detached from thought, they will stop being a problem. I have a question. Is this identity, this false I, that is, this search, not based on thoughts? Thoughts disappear, thoughts disappear, that's why I think they are an obstacle to thoughts.

What do you think? No. I will refer to what you wrote at the end, that thoughts are like clouds, they can cover the sky, but the sky never disappears. I totally agree with this, but one thing is that if they cover the sky, then we simply do not experience this sky. We are simply totally blocked from experiencing this sky. Even though the sky is there all the time, I agree with this. But we do not experience it, I mean we, I mean I, again thoughts, right? So, that's how I see it. If we are blocked, if I am blocked by these thoughts and on the level of me, then the sky is, but I just don't have access to it.

I have an illusion of separation, I would say. And here is the whole problem that we imagine that the sky is a layer of blue beyond these dense clouds, but there is no blue there. The blue sky is an illusion, the sky is a space, it is empty. The sky is endless, it goes beyond the solar system, it goes beyond the galaxy, it is an empty space, there is no color. The That's why we miss it. And of course you're right. The identity is made entirely of thoughts. We think that we are a body, a mind, that we have personality, character, feelings, that it's all me.

And it's only thoughts. Only thoughts make us identify with this hybrid made of various concepts. But in fact, when we recognize that this hybrid made of concepts is another cloud If you are a person who is in this space, which is here and now all the time, then thoughts stop being a problem. We simply stop believing in them, we stop identifying with them. And then, whether they exist or not, it doesn't matter. For the sky or the sun, it doesn't matter if there are clouds in the sky or not. And you are that space, that sky, or that sun, which simply brightens your own being.

When you recognize it, thoughts will stop making a difference. Only that this or that who recognizes the whole thing is a pure space, not me. I cannot experience anything, I cannot recognize anything, because I am an image, a mental image, a construction made of a concept, so it has no power, nor any power of recognition. Recognition comes from pure consciousness, i.e. from pure emptiness. Suddenly emptiness says, aaaah! And such moments, I assume that you have hundreds in every hole between thoughts, but you just don't remember them, because memory is the mind. The mind records and records everything that happens, so it records and records thoughts.

In a dream, when you sleep, you are in pure consciousness, but it is not recorded, it is not recorded anywhere. Well, great answer, Kasia, really. I will listen to it again in a moment, I was really able to understand a lot when it comes to recognizing thoughts, recognizing emptiness, space. You have to observe your thoughts and recognize them. I'll tell you one more thing. Why did I start talking about these thoughts, that they are my weapon or something like that. Although it is a mistake in this statement, because sometimes I think too much and these thoughts sometimes push me. I would like to experience it, but you see, I want to experience it.

And that's where the problem begins at this point. I am thinking too much and I am just about these topics and later it gets more interesting So that how it came about But I am saying I am listening to what you have recorded here because you give me a really nice understanding With this recognition of thoughts. So, tell me one thing. Is the only way to calm these thoughts, observation and recognition of these thoughts? Or maybe meditation? What would you recommend? Recognition is the best thing, it is basically the only thing, because you recognize what is already there. When you recognize, you recognize from the space outside of the thought.

Even if you see that the thought or identity, even if you said, I want to think less, and if you see all this, I want to think less as another thought, then I am also part of this thought. If you see it as a pattern of energy, as a vibration, or as a text, as a set of words or letters, then this vision is already a vision of pure consciousness, because there is no longer a I in it, because the I has already been recognized as a mental pattern. And such recognition, as soon as it appears, as often as it appears, is just such a pearl, such a flash of this natural state.

Yes, Kasia, that's what I thought, that recognition, awareness of things that are, i.e. thoughts at this moment, is the only method for discovering this heaven, which is, has been, is and will always be. I read Demello, you probably know him, he was an amazing man. His book Awakening and also The Call to Love. He writes there, someone asked him what is the best method for all this. I am here to calm even thoughts and so on. To recognize this endless, infinite Heaven. Antony de Malo answered this. Awareness, awareness, awareness. Awareness, that is, recognition. Recognition of things as they are. This is the key. I will be here, I declare that I will practice it even more and even more effectively.

I hope that we will see it. This experience will happen. Not the experience of experiencing, but the experience of reality. Great. I know Demello very well. I like him very much. It was probably the first place I had contact with as an early teenager. I was 12 or 13 when I read The Bird's Song. But when it comes to recognition, yes, of course, that's what it's all about, nothing more. Awareness, awareness, awareness. One small tip, but I think you can handle it easily, because you have a lot of knowledge and a lot of understanding. So it's best to do it all without effort. is I read a lot about this awareness, recognition, observation, which I call meditation.

Meditation is not a technique of sitting, asana, or breathing techniques, or calming thoughts to the force, but it is simply an observation. Osho says that meditation happens from the side, in the background. It is a natural effect of observing, recognizing and being aware of oneself and everything. That's how it looks. Meditation is something that happens. I had a teacher, a master, before I met Bob in India. I taught in Poland the magic workshops of awakening, which are probably the best introduction to the non-duality I have ever encountered. They sometimes come to Poland, when the group is organized, the teacher from India will come, but it must be a few people, at least 5-10 people.

But the master who invented this workshop, or also designed it, taught us that we do not meditate, but we are meditation. Because meditation is a state of non-action and that is what we are. A pure space that is not a doer, it does nothing, it simply is. Awareness of being or awareness of presence. Super, Kasia, what you say, really. I will tell you that

Sometimes I come to the paradox that what you say, for example, that to do it effortlessly, my mind is thinking what to do at this moment so that I don't do anything. So just what effort to put in to just do it effortlessly.

And these are just contradictions in themselves. As you say, it has to come naturally, it has to happen by itself. But some point of going to observation and then letting go of it, I think it's good too. But as you say, it has to come naturally, by itself and then it's good and you start to experience. There is no experience, there is just experience. There is pure experience. Yes, and remember that this pure experience without any effort has a place all the time. It is happening in the background all the time. For example, breathing happens and no one does it. Heartbeat happens, hearing, vision. No one puts effort into seeing something, to look, but vision is a space of experience.

The same space of experience is pure being and awareness of who I am. And on all of this, thoughts, emotions, desires appear. And these thoughts, emotions, desires can be seen as waves on the ocean, as gusts of some wind in a clear space, as patterns or vibrations in this emptiness of consciousness that I am. So seeing, feeling and hearing these thoughts as an object in consciousness makes them an object, not me. It is really beautifully captured. We are not meditating, but we are meditating. I would say that meditation is not so much a state of non-action as a state of seeing. We are seeing, we are consciousness.

What do you think? This is also a very good way to look at meditation. I would even extend the meaning of seeing to all five senses at once, or even six. Seeing, hearing, experiencing, smelling, tasting. And thinking is the sixth. We are a pure space and this pure space, filtered by the body, by the human body, becomes a space of seeing, The space of hearing, the space of feeling, of experiencing, the space of tasting. It simply turns into a space of experiences, a space of seeing, of knowing. But it is still a space, but a little filtered, interpreted by senses. Yes, we are seeing, very well captured, or we are being, we are experiencing.

That's all. We are a meditation. Very good work hypotheses to be with them. I've already recognized a lot of things, at least that's what I think. I mean, I know it basically. But I will tell you that I still have to recognize the key thing here, thinking. And my speech, I also observe it, because as you can see, I like to talk, especially with you, but I like to talk about these topics and it stimulates me, it stimulates my ego at this moment, but I also observe it and let's hope that it will be quieter and I will start experiencing this state in myself. I am a person of experience in a pure space, in a natural, unobtrusive, effortless way.

That's why I observe my speech, my thinking. And here is a pretty strong challenge for me when it comes to recognition. I don't know if it's a good word, this challenge, but I used this word for work. That's why you have to recognize your thoughts, observe your speech and experience as much as you can. Osho, in general, Kasia says an interesting thing, I have his book there, Tantra, the highest understanding. In this highest understanding, he describes the ultimate realization, that is, the experience of this pure space. And I say there, I have to read it exactly, if I find it there, maybe I'll read it later, but in short, as much as I remember, If we try to express in words the final experience, we really didn't understand anything.

It's just totally beyond words. It's inexpressible, it's understandable, it's experienceable, but it's inexpressible when it comes to words. And someone who tries to express it in words according to Osho, he simply does not understand anything according to Osho. A rather cool I think helpful trick when it comes to the topic of observation of thinking speaking and all these tendencies is to omit the word MOJE in understanding Of course you can say that these are my thoughts my words but remember that they are not yours because nothing is yours because you or I are fiction so nothing can belong to this fiction Everything belongs to the consciousness and is the way in which the consciousness expresses itself.

Awareness is expressed by form, by body, by trees, by thoughts, by words, by sounds, by images. All of them belong to the consciousness, to God, to space. Nothing is yours. And then when you see that you have a tendency to talk, it is not your tendency, it is a tendency that belongs to the body, and you are the space. So you will stop taking over your tendency, you will stop blaming it. Indeed, Osho is right, it is completely incomprehensible, not only by words, but also by the mind. It cannot be grasped in any way, in logical categories, it cannot be imagined as a form, it cannot be described as an experience.

But it's not because of that, because it immediately suggests that it is such a wonderful sweetness or ecstasy or something that is beyond all description possibilities. Not because of that. Because it is nothing. Because it has no form, no shape, no color, no taste. So all attempts to describe something that is not there will simply have to fall into nothingness. It is a natural state. It is a state that you experience when there is no thought. He is not some super-exceptional, he is so ordinary that the normality of this state causes us to miss him. And of course for the mind or for the ego it is the last, greatest disappointment.

Because of course the ego imagines that it achieves something so incredible and so wonderful, the peak of human capabilities and consciousness, and that it achieves it for itself. Meanwhile, as it turns out, this place, first of all, has always been here, secondly, it has no ego in it, i.e. there is no one who could achieve anything, and thirdly, there is nothing to achieve at all. Because this final void from which all forms emerge has no interest, no agenda, basically there is nothing in it, and at the same time this nothingness is everything. Of course, understanding that there is nothing to achieve, the mind does not want it.

And at the same time, every mystic and everyone who has consciously tasted it will agree that there is nothing that is worth more than this. This is truly the ultimate and supreme truth. Despite the fact that what you find is nothing, what you are looking for is nothing, and what has been found is nothing, this is the ultimate and supreme truth. The way it manifests itself later, in the flashbacks, the way it flirts with itself, manifests itself, plays, the way this conscious dream is played, It is nothing compared to a thousand orgasms, a million gold coins, fame, popularity and the rest. It is a paradox, because for the mind it is a completely unthinkable thing.

It immediately begins to imagine some kind of wonder. How can nothing be a wonder? And yet... Thank you very much, Kasia, for a great explanation. I've heard it twice, so it's a great explanation. Osho, in general, I'll tell you about the attempt to understand the logical and rational state of this final state, or the original one. He expresses it quite strongly, because sometimes he expresses it in a strong language, but I will quote him to you. On the subject of logic and rational thinking, he says that logic is a strange ego. These are his words, Osho. So, strongly, but this is the truth, this is the truth when it comes to logic.

Logic is in the service of the ego and is a very, very limited matter. However, what you said, that consciousness is expressed simply through forms, through matter, through this manifested world, through illusions, I was thinking that this illusion is a matrix to be recognized. God or consciousness separates itself from itself to get to know itself again in this illusion of self. What do you think about this, Kasia? I like the idea that logic is the weirdness of ego. It's a great, powerful vocabulary that comes to mind. And this idea, you know, these are logical attempts to justify why the manifestation exists, and all logical attempts to grasp it are untrue, they are a story, they are history, they are just another manifestation.

But it may be at some level such a helpful manifestation that the only way a consciousness can experience itself is to fall asleep and dream that it is separated from itself and recognize itself in this separation or have a flash of its own creativity through the forms in which it expresses itself. But this is only the answer. The final answer is a paradox, it is I don't know, it is beyond logic. Everything is because it is, not for some reason, not to experience something or manifest it. Awareness or being is a space that separates you from yourself to get to know yourself again in the illusion of yourself.

Of course, it is a visible separation, because who would separate from whom here, right? So it's a visible separation, a game, a joke, you could say. Unfortunately, many people fall into ignorance and believe that this is the truth, this world, this matrix. And this matrix is the ground in which consciousness recognizes itself. It is something amazing, if we talk about it. It is all totally God-planned. You have said it very well that consciousness falls asleep and recognizes itself in sleep. It is a very nice description and a nice description of it. I don't know if you have heard of something like conscious dreaming. Some people practice that it is not waking up from sleep, but waking up in a dream.

When you are dreaming, you are waking up in a dream. Who knows if our reality, for sure, I know it, our reality in which we live is not a dream either. You just need to wake up in this dream. Wake up and experience in this dream the consciousness of life, existence, yourself, space. However, when it comes to conscious dreaming, it is simply that during sleep you know that you are dreaming. During sleep you are conscious that you are dreaming. It is something incredible. And just as I say, that simply our life is also a dream in which we have to wake up. And simply living we will know that we are simply dreaming.

And consciously then you can create this dream. So we will be conscious and the illusion will continue, but there will be no more ignorance. I know the phenomenon of conscious dreaming. I practiced it a little with Adam Bytow in Poland and I have such dreams from time to time. I also remember a lot of dreams of others. And indeed, as I said, consciousness cannot separate from itself. There is no such possibility, it cannot stop being itself. It is itself, it is everything and that's it. So the only thing that can do is to pretend that it is something else, that it is separate, that it is in some form.

It can pretend that it is identified with some body. And that is why the whole dream of consciousness, the whole reality is called maya or illusion. The manifested world is maya or a dream. Because it seems that things are separate, but they cannot be separate, they are one. The idea of sleep and conscious sleep is that awakening is awakening to sleep. Awakening from sleep, i.e. complete abandonment of physical form and physicality of the physical world is death. Death is the final awakening from sleep. However, awakening, recognition of sleep is awakening to sleep, i.e. sleep continues. The body continues to digest food, the person continues to go to work.

I understand that all this is a dream, a manifestation, but because there is no one at home, there is no one who is the perpetrator of the actions or the perpetrator of what is happening, no actions are stopped, so the digestion continues, the fulfillment of duties continues, no one does it, life does it, but it all lasts. And now who woke up to sleep? No one. The dream itself, the consciousness itself woke up to itself. But she didn't wake up because she never fell asleep, she just pretended to sleep. And now we will have to leave with Bob, our neighbor is taking us to pre-Christmas shopping, it's almost 9 a.m.

So I will have to say goodbye to you, wish you a nice job, I hope you can have a good time there, observing thoughts or reading some tips or rethinking various things. I will probably have a chance to answer your questions in a few days. I will definitely come back to it. If not right away, I will come back as soon as I can. It's nice that you have such a deep understanding of these topics and that you are happy with this understanding, because this is where it all begins. This is the whole resonance This understanding and this resonance comes from the consciousness but at some point the mind can say no no no it me I have the understanding No I don have anything I don have the I don even exist I will tell you Kasia one interesting thing I have a good friend who also deals very much with nonduality She is interested in many issues, but she is very interested in many such side issues, So, for example, why is this game of illusions happening here in this world, what we have just talked about, or whether there are spirits, whether there is going out of the body.

I answered her that I am interested today, this is the key, that's what I wanted to tell you mainly, in recognizing the falsity of my I, this twist, The name of the group, which is called the separate I Grzegorz, i.e. my I, is the most important for me at the moment. And that's what I wanted to tell you here. However, this friend understands many things, but she is interested in many side issues. But it's not the same. In any case, I say that recognizing my ego's falseness is the most important thing for me. So I wanted to tell you that. I have a friend, Kasiu, who claims that he is a believer or, I don't know how to say it, his master is Osho.

Only the Master is interested in him, only his books are read and only he is guided by him. He told me that I like to talk and share this knowledge, ask myself, he also asks himself sometimes. I was told that it is not possible to express the things, the final, primordial experiences that we talked about, the pure space of consciousness, emptiness. It is not possible to express it, it is inexpressible. He said that it is better to just be silent, not to say anything or not to say much, because it is only feeding the ego through speaking. And keeping some things in secret for yourself.

Do not boast. Tell me what do you think about this? Is he right that some things cannot be expressed? It is a misunderstanding, wanting to express these matters. Isn't it better to just keep quiet? To observe yourself in silence and keep some things in secret for yourself. I don't know, even if I come up with something, it doesn't make sense to say it. According to him, right? Although I feel that it is worth sharing, it is worth asking, it is worth learning from others and expanding the perspective by listening to others. Understanding someone's understanding, I am asking you here. And understanding, I draw conclusions myself.

I would like to thank you for your answer. Is it worth it, that we cannot express it, and by expressing it, according to OSHO, we point out that we did not understand these things? Or is it worth keeping these matters for yourself, not to boast in the secret, not to know the world from your point of view? I am waiting for your answer. Bye. Basically, it's all the same as trees, forests, cities. It's all the content of a dream. So whatever one believes in, of course, becomes their reality. If they believe that they are stupid, they are stupid. If they believe that there are angels, there are angels.

If they believe in life beyond the grave, it is for them, of course, only in the form of faith. Because what is real is here and now, and beyond the manifestation here and now, there is only pure being. The rest are just passing phenomena. The second issue you touched on is probably the most important and most difficult issue in the subject of non-duality. Should you or should you not? Should you do this or do that? Is it better to act this way or that way? The assumption from which these dilemmas arise is that I am a separate, separate unit. This unit exists, is true and has the power to act, has free will, chooses, responds to its decisions.

And now it depends on me whether I will speak, what I will say. In a moment I will even write down my merits for breathing and beating my heart. I will write down the merits of my food poisoning. The truth is that if ego is fictional, it has no power to make choices. Whether a person will speak, teach, express himself, or be silent, it does not depend on him. It depends on a thousand small things that affect him. His programming, his weather, his humor, his diet. Thousands of things, because the individual, the person, the body, the mind, the ego, the whole universe, All the galaxies are inseparable, there is no separation.

All of this influences each other. It is not like a person decides to say something or not, regardless of the rest of the universe. It is an illusion. The free will is an illusion of the ego, which keeps the ego in the belief that it exists, is real and has power and can control reality. These obvious free will, obvious decisions, of course, are. But as we know that they are the result or result of cooperation of the environment, of the environment, we do not assign ourselves merits. For example, it is very well visible, Bob very often asks such a question when people defend the topic of free will.

He says, well, if you have a free will, you can choose your thoughts. If you can choose what you do, you can choose what you think. Why do you choose sad thoughts, thoughts full of hatred, jealousy, guilt? Why do you choose such thoughts? It doesn't make any sense. Then a person recognizes that he doesn't choose these thoughts, they just appear. Nobody knows what the next thought will be, what he will think in five minutes. So he doesn't know what decision to make, because the decision comes in the form of thought. And that's it about free will and whether something should be done or not. No one has anything to say.

I will add one more thing about what Osho suggests. It's not that Osho is wrong. He has his own purpose in using this kind of clues. If someone is trying to speak a lot, Osho tells him to sit quietly. If he wants to sit quietly and close himself in a cave, Osho tells him to go out and confront society and talk. The point is not to stiffen in any position, because life, or essence, or space, or emptiness is fluid. It is fluid, plastic, it expresses itself, it wants to have the freedom to express itself. Therefore, taking any rigid position makes no sense. Thank you very much, Kasia, for the answer, which is very extensive.

It's amazing what you say. I don't even know where to start, because we started with a few topics. I started with this topic and you're answering me here, which I thank you very much for. As for Osho, he does what you say. I agree with everything about Osho, but with many things he had an amazing mind, an amazing heart and an amazing penetration. Osho taught something like that, what you say, not to stiffen up on any side, he taught totality, to live as a whole, he called it totally to live, so both together and look for the middle in all this. I have one more question for you, Kasia.

I know that there is no answer to this question, because everything that I think is right, correct me if I am wrong. Everything that is answered here are just theories. I say that if I am wrong, correct me. Answer me this question if you can. If all this is an illusion, a game of the world, why did the existence come up with such a thing and create these waves? Couldn't we all live in a happy, full existence? Without this game, there is an illusion of detachment and suffering. Why is all this happening? Why this game? I had to deal with something else again and I just came back.

I heard your question. It is a very, very popular issue that we want to know why. We want to have some sense of meaning, that it all matters, that it happens for something, that there is some deeper meaning here. How nice it would be if there was no suffering and we all lived in a state of happiness. If there was no suffering, there would be no everyone. If there were no illusions, no one would experience it. This is the point. In fact, there is no final answer. Every answer we give will be a story, a story that we will repeat and in which we can believe or not.

But sometimes at some stage of searching, such a story can be useful in order to just push the mind away, so that the mind hears, because it is known that the mind wants to know the answer. Pure, empty consciousness does not need questions or answers. It is completely static. One of the answers for the mind which I think can be useful to calm the mind is the idea that consciousness emptiness totality or God is one and is everything and being unity and allness cannot know or experience oneself To know yourself or to experience yourself, you would have to have some perspective outside of yourself, to even define yourself or to touch yourself in some way.

And because he can't do it, he dreams that he is different, that he is identified, separated, identified, separated. And then there is a flash of individual existence, a flash of being conscious, a flash of being as something or as someone else. And another aspect of all this is that when I experience myself as a separate unit, I have the opportunity to recognize myself as totality. All activities, understanding, recognition must exist in the background of one's opposition. To wake up, you need to fall asleep first. To remember something, you need to forget about it first. To experience something, you need to know its opposition, you need to see it in the background.

We perceive objects only because there is emptiness between them. We hear sounds because there is silence between them. We know the day because there is night. If there was no night, there would be no day, there would be nothing, there would be no name. So the whole manifested world exists so that it can exist and experience emptiness. But the answer for a very mature mind, and I think you already understand this answer very well, you perceive and receive it, This is an advanced answer, because the answer we say that it is for this or that, this is an answer from the preschool, for the preschoolers, for the so-called beginners.

Such an advanced answer is who asks, who wants to know. When you look and see that there is no one asking the question, that there is only a blank, the question itself is a wave of vibration in the field of consciousness, then of course the question is flowing and there is no question. If there is no question, there is no one to ask, so there is no one to ask, no one has to know anything, everything has been solved. The issue has been solved not by answering this question, but by the disappearance of the question. Sometimes, if the mind is still quite strong and it comes back, this question comes back, then there is such a practice, Zen offers quite a lot of this kind of practices, to answer any question.

Why? Who am I? What am I? To answer the question I don't know. Because I don't know is like a This mind always wants to know. It never admits that it doesn't know. So if this mind rest, stops in such a state of I don't know, I have no idea, I'm not able to know it, I'll never find out, it's beyond my reach, then it happens that this mind just dissolves. I don't know the method, but it's a very good method. Even if we think we know a lot of things, we don't know even more things. What we know is a little bit, but what we don't know is a lot.

I don't know if you know Socrates, he was a Greek philosopher, one of the greatest if not the greatest. He said the famous maxim, I know that I don't know anything. His Delphic poem told us that he was the greatest philosopher. He said that despite his total knowledge, he said that he knew nothing. He was right, he was telling the truth. Just like me, just like you, you will definitely admit that you don't know many things yet. I don't know either, so that's how it is. Socrates also used a nice method, despite knowing, the method is called Socratic irony, Or as I say, Socratic lie.

He used something like that, that despite knowing a lot of things, he walked between people and pretended, he lied to them, he lied that he didn't know a lot of things and he asked and provoked people to think. To the extent that he even annoyed some people. And I don't know if you know that he ended up badly later, because he was poisoned with a cicutum. So that's how it looked. However, he used the Socratic irony that he pretended things and that he didn't know many things yet. Although whether it is pretending or not pretending is a matter of interpretation I am says that it is the same practice In Buddhism it is often the case It is our natural state, the state of ignorance.

I would like to add that knowledge is knowledge inside of a dream, it is a part of a dream. What we think we know is just a process of dreaming. We know some things about how plants function, or what the atom inside looks like. And by confirming this state, we stiffen it and make it real. The whole world is just a set of beliefs that things are as they seem to be. It's just believing that things exist. We believe that something exists, just like angels exist. Okay, they exist, we agree that they exist. So, such ignorance is really a state of wisdom. And knowledge is so-called ignorance, So, simply, faith in what we see is what it is.

I have one more question for you, Kasia. How do you think people take gossip, or the fact that they just like to talk a lot? I'm curious how you look at it. How? What is the reason for it? What is it? What is the reason for it? I am very grateful for your answer. I am curious about your answer. I think that such predispositions as extroversion, i.e. the need to establish many contacts, some close contacts, or in general being in contact with the environment, or introversion, i.e. such a retreat and rather internal dialogue than talking to others, these are a bit environmental conditions. It depends a lot on parents, on the family, even on thousands of different elements, like a diet during pregnancy, when the mother was pregnant.

There are various studies on this topic showing the tendencies that the brainstem or neural networks develop better than those that develop worse, depending on what is useful for such a child at the beginning of life. If the child is too much treated and it pushes him, he will close a little and withdraw. If he receives more love when he is more contact, open, smiling and talkative, he will talk. But it is certainly not a matter of choice, that let's say a two-year-old chooses to be an extrovert or introvert or talkative or withdrawn in his life. The idea of contact, the language itself, developed in the original people a long time ago and it enabled us to create larger groups than monkeys living in societies of 20, 30, up to 150 members.

And people can, thanks to the fact that they communicate, talk, create societies where there are many million cities and coexist around each other, Language gives them the opportunity to connect in completely different ways. For example, fans of off-road or racing cars, or fans of non-duality, or followers of different religions, or sex, or different groups. Language creates many more opportunities for people to communicate and be together. And of course, the side effect of learning a language is that we define everything around us. When we define it, we think we know what it is. And we define ourselves exactly the same. We say I and now we think we know what it is.

Aha, body, I am a body. And as a result, we refer everything to this point of reference I. The world becomes relative, closed, isolated, subjective. And unfortunately, completely torn between pleasure and pain, suffering, resistance, desires. It is the result of the side-effect of learning the language of symbols, that we can use words to symbolize various concepts and ideas. Animals do not have this language so developed and they live in the present moment, they do not have an idea of the past, the future. Of course, they experience pain, but they do not experience resistance and suffering in the sense that we experience. Hello Kasia, it's already evening in your place, I checked on the internet what time it is in Melbourne, it's 9 am, I had a coffee and decided to record something for you.

I am fascinated by the way it works. It is something amazing, it is a masterpiece of existence. I am trying to understand it as much as I can today. I am trying to observe it very carefully. I am very careful. A masterpiece. An incredible phenomenon. Hello Kasia. I put this... I put this... I put this... This text that you gave me today, that the road is outside the language, this text is just short short short and brilliant Because in fact it is outside the language outside the words dear and truth being that is the spiritual awakening to what is already or who we are So it is actually outside the language.

I sent you a text here, but I will tell you literally. The words are just words. You can't give them the whole of reality, the truth. Words are cut into it. Words destroy the truth more than they convey it to the light and give it back. When someone experiences the ultimate truth of reality, of being, he just silences, because he is not able to give back what he experiences with words. That's why it's better to be silent. He just has to be silent, basically. Because it is simply not transmissible when it comes to words, whole words. Words just destroy reality more than they give it out clearly, because they are limited and imperfect.

That's why the road is outside the language, outside the words. So it's a brilliant thing. It's like, Kasia, I don't know, you said it very wisely, that you can't drink water with a word. You can't eat bread with a word, right? You can't give a blind person words about what color is, for example. Or someone who doesn't eat mango, how does it taste, right? Today I also posted on Facebook a text, I think Lao Tzu said it. This master who traveled there, he didn't say much, he was silent, but he said one cool thing in his life, that those who say don't know, those who know don't say.

I have said it like this, those who speak do not understand, and those who understand do not speak. Or they speak little, because the words are simply imperfect. And the reality, the truth, the experience just disappears. That's why it's just a matter of silence. Even when Jesus was asked what the truth is, Pilate asked him, he just kept silent. Buddha also asked about it, they are silent. It is simply irresistible. That's why, by force of things, by force of things, there is silence in these topics. I'm not saying, Kasia, not to use words at all, right? Because that's not what it's about either. Because that's what existence gave us this speech, to use it properly, right?

But to remember the imperfection of words and sometimes, instead of trying to convey the unmentionable truth, just keep quiet. Because what else can you do here? Bend over, something that we will not be able to express anyway. So we will complicate the topic and get lost in these words. It's just pointless, it's better to keep quiet and that's it. But I don't say not to use words, because using words is important, but only the right one. And remembering the imperfection of words, the irreversibility of this final experience. Tell me how you see it, whether to speak or not to speak, I don't know, whether it can be expressed or not.

You say that you can't, but how is it with speaking? How do you see the matter of speaking and silence? Do you just talk about these things or not? I like to talk, but I don't know if it's a problem in a sense. I would like to know your opinion on this topic. Hello Grzegorz, as I mentioned before, from my experience and observations, it turns out that you really have no choice in this matter. If your body, your mind and your programming, conditioning throughout your life created such a version of you in which you are very expressive and you say a lot, Unless life will give you some inspiration to keep quiet, then you will not be the one who will make the decision.

If there is no division or separation between man and the environment, then the environment is the one who will decide. The whole universe is the judge of whether you speak up or not, whether you express it or not, whether you will try or not. So life, the river of life flows where it wants. The idea that something is better, that we should do this or it would be better to do that, is just a thought. And if this thought appears in your head, it is not yours either, it brought it life. This is the most difficult aspect of non-duality that I mentioned. If there is no ego, no person, if the separate self is fiction, then naturally there is no creative power, no free will, no possibility of choosing.

Life propels thoughts, life chooses. So the best thing to do in this situation is to relax as this knowing emptiness or also the pure sky And look at these clouds and see what this body will do. Will it speak or not, will it speak or not, will it speak or not, without wondering what is better and what is worse, because such thinking comes from the mind, such assessment of what is good and what is bad is the mind. I understand, Kasia, from what you are telling me here. I think we understand what's going on here. So, you just have to give life a current and just flow with this current and see what it will bring and how my body will react and adequately to it, either say or not say, not judge anything and just act or relax, depending on what I feel and what life will bring.

I understood it in my own way. And why did I ask you to tell me about silence and speaking? Because I have one such friend, he is also very delighted with OSHA. He has such an attitude, not dual, to a large extent, but he has a little bit, when it comes to speaking, a little different attitude. I'll tell you about it in a moment. He has a kind of approach that he advises me to just observe this speech, because he claims that we should keep some kind of a secret and not get lost in our thoughts, I don't want to ignore what I understood, because according to him it's just a kind of talking about his ego.

So through conversation according to him, ego is being turned on. So he sees it that way. And he gave me this idea and that's why I wanted to ask you here, because I think you're a little too understanding, but I don't want to judge you either, because he has his understanding, you have your understanding. I would like to ask you to adapt to what I have just said. And to tell you that it is really worth keeping this secret, whether it is recording ego, I don't know. How to say it, because it turns out that ego is strengthened by talking, by taking over the world.

I don't know what I don't understand. This is how it looks like here. I'm curious about your opinion on this topic. You know what, Kasia, I think that we sometimes trust words too much. We trust them because they give us some truths, some words, Words, just like thoughts, just like the separate I, from which thoughts and speaking come out, because words, as you know, are certainly materialized by thinking, and thinking comes from the false I, so thoughts and words are equally false. And that's what I meant, that the words from the point of view of truth are just something false, just like thoughts, just like me.

And we should remember that this is just false, that anyway, consciously or unconsciously, we just introduce ourselves and others into error. Speaking Kasia as we speak, we simply do not realize that the words are just false. The same with thoughts, the same with the small I, from which everything results in this illusion. Who says it? I do. I introduce myself and others into the error. From the level of being, of course. From the level of existence. On this relative level, that is, manifested, we say the truth in some way and everyone has his own truth. From the point of view of existence, from the point of view of being, the infinity of this space, this void of the conscious, these are just words.

Hello Grzegorz, I have a moment, I will quickly answer you. As for the suggestion that your friend from OSHO gave you, he knows you better, he will probably have a better sense of what is going on with you, I am not sure, but in fact only you know it. Only you know if your speech comes from the arrogance of ego, which wants to be more than others, because it is wiser and knows more. Or it comes from the need to share, or maybe just from the need to hear your own understanding, so that it clarifies a little better. Is it just an innocent expression, just like a bird sings, a dog barks, a cat meows?

Life is expressed using such a pattern, but only you will know if it is just this typical arrogance, a sense of ego, or not. No one else can tell you that, even if someone else reads it like that. Unfortunately, everything is a projection. There is no other way to interpret the world than through the filters we have. And these filters are our projection. If you share what you heard or understood so that you can hear yourself and that everything becomes more refined so that it is cleaned up And if someone hears it as arrogance it because it his filter it his understanding I am sorry for the interruption And here is the greatest danger.

Not what we say, what we don't say, what we do, how we live, how we breathe, but the fact that we go with everything to the mind, that we try to think everything. Not speaking is a problem, excessive thinking is a problem. A huge number of questions, this search, the desire to know, the desire to understand, the desire to think. Pure consciousness, emptiness, there are no such needs. Pure consciousness, emptiness, heaven is content, Sat Chit Ananda lives, that is, being consciousness, bliss. He does not need anything, he does not want anything, there are no desires, there are no questions. All desires, questions, desire for understanding, desire for knowledge, desire for stabilizing oneself, desire to find the natural state, which is always here, never die, They all come from thoughts, they all come from habits.

But we don't say it's ego, because ego doesn't exist, it's just a habit of thinking. And now, recognizing each of these habits is the only thing that comes from outside the habit. So in my opinion, the only thing worth of attention is the ability to recognize, to awaken from this thought-sleep. If you have a dream, a thought like, oh, I have to find out, I have to convince myself, I have to understand whether it is better to speak or not to speak, instead of registering for this ride and identifying with this story and with this I have to, I don't have to, it's better to just recognize it as a model of energy in space.

Oh, on a clear screen of consciousness, there is such a film that someone there has to do something, someone there wants to do something, someone there wants to do something. At this moment, when you see this need, I must understand, I must find an answer, if you see it as a movement of energy, as a vibration, as a part of words, images and thoughts of shapes somewhere moving in space, then you, the one who is looking, you are a pure consciousness, you are awakened. And this is the awakening. It is only now. It is only here and now. At this moment there is no past, no future.

Past and future are in thoughts, in imagination, in the head. At this moment, in the present moment, there is only this moment. And either you are in a dream, that is, you dream that you need something, you are someone, you are looking for something, you have to understand something, Or you are completely awakened, in a natural state, you see, hear, see, think, breathe, it all happens in the space you are in, in you, in pure being. And it doesn't matter if objects are observed, if questions are answered, no, it's all just waves, and you are in this motionless, motionless ocean. And the state of awakening.

And in a moment there will be another dream, another question, another thought, another entry into the head and another awakening. The moment when there is no thought is an awakening. Thank you very much for the answer, Kasia. I will tell you that although you know me a little less than my friend, although he also does not know me, he says from his point of view, as you said, he projects. I am very happy to be here today. Most probably. You answered me very well. Much better, I think, than I am telling you honestly, than my friend. Really great, great. I will listen to what you said again.

I will repeat what I said. You said first that problems do not come from excessive speaking, but from excessive thinking, excessive amount of questions Thank you for the questions and the like. And what I'm talking about now. Namely, that, that just as I said, that, and I repeat, I would like to know your opinion, that just, well, this thinking comes from the I. Separate I, a separate illusion of the I. And words are expressed thoughts. If the illusion of the I is false, it means that thoughts are also false, they are false, i.e. an illusion. The words we say are also false, illusory from the point of view of being, from the point of view of this infinite space, this screen of consciousness.

I am observing it this way. And you, Kasiu, how do you observe it? And speaking of words, I will tell you, even from the point of view of not being, not of this infinite consciousness, but from the point of view of the relative, manifested here, on this material plane in which we live, When people tell their own truth, we don't know if they are telling the truth or just lying. We can trust certain things because we don know how it is I am not sure if I am wrong Maybe they are wrong maybe this one So we trust words too much even at this level here the relative one Only life as a more objective truth verifies whether these words were or were not the truth But the words themselves are simply as deceitful as possible.

And everything, Kasia, as you know, comes from the illusion of the individual self, The basic root of the lie is the separate self. The separate self is the root of the lie in us, the false. The separate self. The next thing is thoughts, words, speech. The basic false is the thought and the word. I have just thought about it. I am curious about your opinion on this topic. Yes, you have thought about it well, Grzegorz. You can even look at it as the basis of all thoughts. 90% or more, almost 100% of the thoughts we have are about me. They are about me, about the relationships I have, about my attitude to the world.

Few thoughts are fully descriptive, objective, everything is subjective. So, as you say, they are the consequence of this separate self. Which doesn't mean that thoughts are bad, language is fantastic, ability to use symbols created civilization. The side effect of this ability of understanding, which this specific species has, i.e. people, is that everything is related to this false reference point. When you see the falseness of the reference point, the relation stops. I am not a person who is not aware of the reality of the world. I am not aware of the reality of the world. I am not aware of the reality of the world. I am happy that we both agree.

But one clarification, maybe about the word, because you yourself admitted that everything comes from the root of the false, separate I. If you admitted that thought is also a consequence, extension of this false I and word, then also thought and word are false. Even not subjective, subjective too, of course, but they are also false. From the ground of the thought, the word, the words are false, because I am false. Only life, if it verifies it and confirms that the words are in accordance with the act, in accordance with life, then we can say that the words resonate. I like to look at all forms in this way, without exceptions.

There is a clear space or emptiness, and it manifests itself with the most diverse forms, with the most diverse vibrations. One frequency creates, let's say, microwaves, another frequency creates electromagnetic waves that carry films you watch in the cinema. There are also other waves that are visible, i.e. visible light that is reflected from various particles and causes us to see objects. Another way in which this emptiness manifests itself, vibrating in various forms and shapes, is sounds. All words, all thoughts are just sounds. They are simply different forms of waves. This is the most natural way of looking at things. To see everything, even words, even language, even ego, even arrogance, even various patterns of behavior as simply one of the manifestations of manifesting this energy of life or creative intelligence, then there is simply no quality, such very human qualities as good, bad, false, true.

Everything is as it is and it is simply neutral. But this is only one way of looking at it. Of course, from your perspective, you are right. Thoughts are a consequence of the separate I, at least most of them. I think we are literally giving in to the same waves, although maybe we use different words to define the same reality What do you think However I will tell you this for me the word lie and illusion are synonyms So the same close, significant word that defines the same. And from what I know, because you say about energy and matter, These are different manifestations of the same, that is, different manifestations of energy in the universe, from the point of view of this consciousness.

And matter, I don't know if you know, is at the level of such a condensed energy. I also confirmed it to the scientists that it is also a form of illusion. It is also something unreal, we think it is, although we experience it. That's why it's fascinating. Although the word is false, true, it is also good to say, it all comes from the mind. Therefore, to communicate, we have to use words and simply use some term. That's why I say, we give in the same waves, although we use different words, but we basically talk about the same reality. Yes, indeed, it looks like we're giving in the same waves, very cool.

And indeed, matter is energy. Science is Einstein's famous equation E equals mc2, which says that energy is matter multiplied by the speed of light to the square. So in general, everything is just a dancing field of probability, a pure illusion, which the mind, using words and labels, using collective recognition of shapes and forms, causes to exist. It's fascinating. It's best if you don't think about it, but just experience this miracle in such a clean space of silence. And that's probably it for today, because I just have to go back to my other husband and deal with the house. So we'll probably talk again. And for now, I wish you a good job, because you probably have a night again.

So far. I will tell you, Kasia, the answer is of course, you will have time and a moment of free time. That's what I was wondering. And I will tell you that my speech is probably based on what you said, that the problem is not with speech, that speech is based on excessive thinking. And it's true that it's just my thinking. I just think too much and I just have to look at it in some way or express it, just unload it, react. I don't know how to say it, but I understand what it's about. So it's actually about thinking, superfluous. Questions, such as a catapult of thoughts.

Thoughts gallop and there is a multitude of them. Once, Kasia, I heard such a comparison that thoughts are like clouds covering the sky, covering the sun, the sky. It doesn't mean that there is no heaven. It is, but it is covered by thoughts. It is only a matter of time until they pass and the sky will light up again. This infinite space. And the same with thoughts, that it is a matter of time until they will simply disappear somewhere. Maybe another one will appear, so it is such an endless process. In any case, thoughts are like clouds in the sky, covering the sky. I will tell you, Kasia, that someone told me somewhere that don't think so much because you will remain a thinker.

I should already be a triple or quadruple thinker. So that's what it looks like here. And seriously, I will tell you that my dream is to finally rest from thinking, really, to take such an inner breath and just rest from all this inner just overflowing thinking. You know what I'm talking about. Hello Kasia, I sent you a nice quote from Albert Einstein, which says, The most beautiful thing we can experience is a mystery. For me it's something amazing, it's just a mega quote, mega sentence, Einstein was just brilliant for me. I mean for me, not just for me. I would like to ask you what you think about this quote.

What is your general approach to the matter of secrets? Is it good or bad? According to you? Because many people, there is no need to hide, the word secret is a bit wrong. I will look at it a little differently. For me it is mega what Einstein said. So I am waiting for your answer, Kasia. Under the influence of your thoughts here, your suggestion, the clue, I just started to observe my thoughts inside of me. Although thoughts are probably more external, but I just observe my mind and thoughts that flow like clouds I am watching, observing, I am aware of what is happening and it happens in me.

These thoughts are not mine, I know it for sure, I just observe them as they flow. That's why I think it's good. You probably advised me that yourself. I wanted to tell you, to praise you a little bit and to inform you that I am practicing something here. And it's thanks to you. So thank you, Kasia. If you had any further development of this topic, when it comes to thinking about how to practice it here, I would like to thank you for your comments, for your observations, your thoughts, your work with thoughts, if you practice it at all. I would be grateful to you for a hint here and your point of view.

I greet you and wait for the news from you. Bye bye. I will add that I observe all thoughts, especially such thoughts, because I did not tell you about it, but I did not tell you about myself, I am not sure if I can say that I fell in love with one girl some time ago, but she rejected me. But these thoughts still linger in me, they come back to me. I observe these thoughts, I am not the same as them, they flow in me and I observe all thoughts in general. That's why I wanted to emphasize it. I am practicing the subject. I am waiting for your answer on this topic.

You can give me some tips or suggestions about practice. What do you think about it? I greet Kasia once again. I am waiting for your answer. Bye. Hello Grzegorz, I just had the opportunity to listen to all your messages. I had some work and life is going a little faster here. In the topic of practices, it is a bit of a dangerous topic because you have to be careful not to identify with the practicing, because if there is no one at home, there is no practicing, and then there is no practice. When the mind is particularly talkative, the habit of constant thinking is particularly painful, at the beginning, some scientific help is really useful, some meditations that help in recognition.

It is not about practice, it is about recognition. Everything that will help this recognition to break through this surface of clouds can have a positive effect. It will not be necessary, because when you recognize yourself as heaven, whether there are clouds in the sky or not, you remain in the identity of heaven or space, or without identity. Here we can go back to the subject of mystery or mystery. Yes, of course, the highest way of knowledge is non-conceptual knowledge, that is, knowledge outside the mind. So for the mind it is I don't know, so mystery. As for the practice, there are a lot of available meditations.

I practiced the most varied ones 5, 6, 7, 10 years ago. From vipassana, starting with counting breaths, saying each thought, and concentrating on these breaks between thoughts. I even tried with mantra. Whatever works, it's best to find something for yourself that will help you stay in this space of silence for as long as possible, or just pay attention to this space of silence, not thoughts. I'm very sorry that someone broke your heart there, but as you say, it's a very good scientific help to observe yourself, because it's an intense emotion. The recurring thoughts are probably quite heavy and loaded, so it's hard to miss them.

It's just easy to notice them and wake up from them, because they are unreachable. So it's good that you use all the situations that you have encountered as help in awakening, because it is actually the only thing, it is the beginning, it is the first and most important thing to start from. So even tragic situations, traumatic situations, painful situations, everything that later returns as such an obsession can help, can be something good. Well in the topic of observation of thoughts whatever works there is no such thing as a one universal method for everyone What suits you is important what is most effective what moves you the most from the content of consciousness to the fact of being Where from this pure fact of being, existence, you look at these moving waves of thought or clouds of thought.

They don't take you for a ride. The more moments of silence or freedom of thought, the more the state of being in space stabilizes. Now I will run away because time is running. I wish you a nice day or a good night, because it's probably a night. And see you soon. I hope you are doing very well, because I can see that you are really at a higher level of engagement. The love for truth has already completely taken you away. You pay attention to the important things, you ignore the irrelevant things. This is a very, very nice point on this alleged map, because there is no such thing as a journey.

It is a return to the home from which you never left, returning to a place you never left. And practice, of course, recognition, continuous recognition, from moment to moment, To jest bez wysiłku, to nie jest jakaś walka ze sobą, tylko po prostu otwarcie, cisza i te rozpoznania przychodzą, pojawiają się. No to życzę Ci ich jak najwięcej, najmiłej nocki. Pa pa. Kasiu, thank you very much for your answer. It's really great. Your answer is a good word. To hear from you is honey on the heart. That's why I thank you very much. I'm listening to it again because you've passed on a lot of knowledge, but what you said about mystery and mystery really came to me.

I have heard from Osho that the ultimate truth we want to return to has always been a mystery. It is inexpressible in words. We even nodded, we don't know how they wanted to convey it. We simply can't convey it at all. That's why I agree that Poznań is not conceptual, it's beyond conceptions. Once again, thank you and I won't be going into too much detail today. Thank you very much for the explanation of all these techniques, especially the mystery, the mystery, because it's a confirmation of some truth for me, of course, and all the best for you and Bob. Bye bye. I believe that this is something very, very powerful.

To admit to knowledge and to call to it all the time. I believe so. Why? Because the ego wants to know. It wants to know because it really knows nothing. It knows nothing and that's why it wants to know. I am not sure how to describe myself with this knowledge. You used one statement there, which we have already analyzed a little bit. That the greatest danger when practicing is the practice itself, the performance of the practice itself. So again, it's a separate I. Tell me one thing, Kasiu, it's so obvious, right? I understand everything conceptually, intellectually. But how to deal with it, with the practitioner, that he just disappeared, or he just didn't have such power over me anymore, I am not sure if I have been able to do it.

I am just trying to figure it out. I would like to hear your answer. We base on intellect and words, but a big consequence is listening to you. A consequence when it comes to understanding and detaching myself from who I am. And reaching the first level of who I am, of my presence. Do you want to recognize the searcher, or is he a fraud? Or just treat him as an object of observation? It's hard for me to do something here, I'm just trying to figure something out a little bit. But I'm very interested in your opinion on this subject, Kasia. Well, I answered this question quite broadly, because I wanted it to be easier for you to reach for reminders.

It much easier than listening to the text But maybe a reminder in a nutshell that one of the observation methods or the way of recognizing the observer is the attempt to locate them. You try to locate the ego. When you locate them, you realize that you are looking from a certain point to define this location. You are the one who is looking, not the object that has been located. So you try to locate the one who is looking, and another one who is looking, and another one, and so on. The steps you take backwards cause the location to blur. The point is that the attempt to find any unit is completely indicated as a failure, because there is no one there.

No one has ever found a doctor, a psychologist, a surgeon, nothing. It is only a mechanical habit of commenting that we associate with some unit. It is only an imagination that we gave him faith and thanks to it it seems to exist. It is easy to see it through seeing to what extent all processes happen by themselves. For example, there is no such thing as I digest food, it is just digestion. The same is the look. There is no human in the head who looks and performs this process of looking. All of this is just a process. The division into a unit, into an object, into an object is only in the head, in the conception.

Hello Kasia, thank you very much for the answer, it's great, really. Well, it's a great answer, yours. Listen, I just wanted to emphasize that I don't want to talk so naturally, I started to feel some kind of natural silence. I think it comes to me as a result of some understanding, which you gave me and helped me with. For which I thank you very much. You contributed to it. I have less and less questions and I want to speak less and less, but it doesn't mean that I don't want to talk at all. I just don't want to fixate on words. I don't know if you understand me well.

Tell me, Kasia, if you can, how do you perceive the issue of spiritual development, responsibility for yourself? I have heard from many people that it is a key issue when it comes to people. Taking responsibility for yourself, for your actions, for your mood, point of view, for everything. How do you perceive it? Responsibility for yourself. I am very interested in it. Greetings and I am waiting for an answer. When it comes to responsibility, I think that the idea of taking responsibility for oneself is not entirely to be attributed to any merit, because how am I supposed to take responsibility for breathing, or beating my heart, or growing my hair?

Nobody has any responsibility, responsibility belongs to nature, but the idea itself is to not give this responsibility to others, to not blame others, to not expect anything from the government, from the neighbors, from the parents, even from myself, I would say. So, taking responsibility for myself, I would say that this self is a pure natural state, that is, a pure being of life, this is my true nature and this has an ultimate responsibility. As a person, I have no responsibility because I am not the perpetrator. I would like to add that I am the result of cooperation of all forces cooperating in nature, in the whole universe.

I am the result of programming that I have taken as a child from parents, schools, society, emotional structure that I acquired, observing traumas, all past events. So responsibility is collectively divided between all these influences, so it is practically not there. But there is the ultimate responsibility of the pure nature of life, that is, the essence of life, what each of us is, what I am, despite the fact that I can imagine that I am some individual unit or person. That's all. I won't go on. Good luck in times of crisis. It's nice to hear you. Greetings. Hello Kasia. I'm at work and I decided to record a voice message for you.

It's been a long time since we talked in a voice message. I was thinking about all this and I have a question for you. Iliuzje, ja i w ogóle, to o czym żeśmy rozmawiali. Skąd się według Ciebie wzięła pierwsza myśl? Jestem bardzo ciekaw Twojej odpowiedzi. Skąd się wzięła według Ciebie pierwsza myśl? Tak czekam z ciekawo na odpowied od Ciebie Pozdrawiam serdecznie The second interesting thing interesting thing I was thinking about how to be how to achieve this state of being But it is known that this state of being cannot be achieved because we are already what we are talking about here. And every word is taking us away from ourselves.

And the question now is not how to be, my reflection, but how to learn to not be. Because you know, I don't know if you noticed, they taught not to be, that is, to escape from yourself, to escape from this natural state of being, here and now, in yourself. As for the first thought, naturally, of course, everything depends on what you define as a thought. If thought is an impulse to action, animals also have such impulses. If thought is something that can be presented with a symbol or image, there are also some reports that dolphins can use certain waves, they have sonars. It is difficult to say at what point you call something thought, and at what point you call it something else.

But it is obvious that everything, exactly everything has the same source, comes from the same source. Thought, feeling, form, emptiness. Thought is simply one of the ways in which this knowing emptiness manifests itself. Everything vibrates, so it vibrates in different frequencies. Some of them appear as frequencies of light vibrations, infrared, ultraviolet, visible, invisible light, other than radio waves or micro waves or subatomic particles vibrating and taking the form of matter. Everything is just different forms of vibration, so thoughts too. I have just heard the second message. I would not say not to be, although of course it is also a way of expressing the same, but rather it is a matter of attention, because you can not not be.

Try to be if it happened to not exist. It may turn out that it is very difficult or impossible. I would say that it is a matter of attention. We habitually run away from attention from what is happening at the level of senses, hearing, seeing, feeling, tasting, smelling. To the head, to the name of this, to interpret, to tell about this some story, to draw attention to this non-conceptual consciousness, the consciousness of the forethought, it is related to the fact that being is simply, it is impossible to deny it, it is impossible to even forget about it, it is like the background of everything, it is everything.

Thank you very much for the great answer, you are a very conscious person here and that's why I appreciate the answer from you. I believe that the first thought is the thought of I. The first root thought is the thought of I. Very intimate feeling of presence. I am, I function, I act. That's how it looks here. What you said here that you can't not be, you have to admit that you are 100% right. I am not saying that it would be difficult not to be, because it is impossible not to be. Being is our fundamental thing. That's why opening up to this experience of the original consciousness is the first and last meditation that is worth practicing.

Thank you very much, Kasia. I greet you once again and stay healthy there with Bob. Hey! Hello, Grzegorz. I would like to add that I really like your distinction between what is an impulse and what is already a thought. If it contains the I, it is a thought. Let's say if a deer runs away from a tiger, it doesn't think, I'm running away. And the person immediately has this comment, this narration in their head that I am running away. So it could be a thought. And in this situation, indeed, it could also be the first thought. Because it is known that before the children began to identify with the idea of ​​I, they already spoke, so they already expressed some thoughts.

But we can say that at this moment this expression of thought was not yet a thought in the sense in which you understand it as a relation to the individual unit. Very interesting and useful. Greetings. Hey.