Is there a mind? Sailor Bob interview. Nonduality

We have the capacity of reasoning. Utilising that capacity, we investigate and have a look. Am I this body? Am I this separate entity? Am I this individual? And under the investigation, it falls apart. So it can't stand a false. Anything that's false is not true. And we've believed in it without questioning. If you believe in it, if it's not true, it'll fall apart under the investigation. The false cannot stand up to the investigation. But how do I investigate that? Who or what is this I or me? Am I the body? Am I the mind? Am I the person? Am I the persona? It's a conceptual image.

When we see it pointed out that the persona is a mask, it's a conceptual image. Am I a conceptual image? If I'm a conceptual image, what would happen when I went to sleep? When I give up all that imagining, it would be the end of me. But it's not, because I wake up in the morning. So who wakes up in the morning? Well, it dawns on you that the seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling, and it will appear in that moment in sleep. It dawns on you that sleeping is over for you. The reasoning starts again. And the conceptualizing starts along with it. And so there's no...

There's no gravity that wakes up. It's just awareness for the existence, which is seemingly obscured. The consciousness becomes utterly aware that it exists. You don't recognize your existence while you're in deep sleep. You can't say I exist without a consciousness. So the individual or the ego who is on the quest to wake up, that one doesn't wake up. No, it dawns on that so-called individual, I'm not this entity that I believe myself to be. There is an awakening or a dawning to it. A recognizing. I'm not this body. I'm not this mind. I'm not this concept. I'm not this individual. I am utterly aware. I'm totally aware of being or existing.

I am that existence itself. I am that existence. I am that awareness itself. Their labels I put on them, but not even those labels. So is the existence waking up or awareness waking up? It's a recognition that the believed entity that we've taken to be real was never real at all. That I've been looking in the wrong direction. I've been taking all these concepts on board and believing on them, but being reinforced by the peer school, society and everybody else. The energy of belief has gone into them, making them real. And the belief is seen through. Can you believe in something when it's seen through?

You see it's false. You can't have that. There's a natural dawning. There can't be that belief. And the dictionary definition tells you that the belief is not the actual. The definition of belief is an unquestioned acceptance of something in the absence of reason. It can't be reasoned out. Acceptance of an alleged fact without positive or non-positive. Without positive or knowledge of proof. And haven't we been trying to reason it out all our life and never found the answer in the mind, in the conceptual eye? It might dawn on us then, the waking might come about, maybe I've been looking in the wrong direction. I've been looking in the so-called thing called mind all my life and never found the answer.

Maybe the answer's not there. Because when you look at that, what direction is there outside the mind? There's absolutely nothing. There's no direction whatsoever outside the mind. It's all in the mind. And while I'm in the mind, the nature of the mind is to vibrate. And to go on dualistically, vibration like it has all along. So there's no way out. Except if I start to dawn on my own, it's the wrong direction, what am I going to do? I'm going to see what way there is outside of the mind. And I might pause the thought or try and see what's there prior to the thought.

And the resonation or the seeing might come about where I realise the life, I'm that life that was there prior to the thought. Prior to the thinking. The contemplation, it still takes place in the mind through analysing concepts. Yes, through thought. Now you couldn't utilise the thought now as being utilised and recognised. Instead of it utilising you and telling you, has this anything you don't understand? Or you've got to become realised or liberated. Or I'm not good enough or I'm fearful. And that one essence, like the sun is shining naturally and ever by itself, it's self-shining. The daylight is self-daylight, the night-time is self-darkness. It's all that one self, the self I believe in myself to be, is the one self, the one vibrating essence, patterning, shaping, forming and experiencing as everything.

There's no separation or no divinity in what's that divinity whatsoever. OK, but can I have a glimpse of that right now? Yes. How do I do that? Well you're seeing right now, aren't you? Yes. And before the thought comes up, I see. Aren't you seeing before that door does, comes up? Yes. And how is it translated in the mind? Seeing is happening, it's translated as what I see. When you say, I see, what are you doing? You added all these concepts on it, the conceptual image you've got about yourself. That's me, cat, that thinks it's now seeing, the conceptual image. And what cat sees is seeing.

This video or whatever, the questions and everything going on, cat has become the subject. The thought you've got, the conceptual image about yourself, cat, becomes the subject. And what you're seeing has become the object, because you put labels and shapes and forms on it. Can the thought I see actually see? Can a thought see? Nope. Can a thought hear? Nope. Can a thought be aware? No. So this conceptual image, when you investigate, you realise it can't see, can't hear, can't be aware, it's never done anything. You've got to choose, it can't. Because the seeing is happening, the hearing is happening, the tasting, touching, smelling, all the functions are happening.

If it's not translated with the thought and divided into subject, object, it's just a pure, spontaneous, happening, occurring naturally and effortlessly. Just like the earth is rolling around the sun. As the earth is saying, I'm rolling around the sun, and the sun is saying, now it's dark, now it's daylight, the sun doesn't know anything about that, and neither does the earth. When the earth, where we are now, this part of the earth faces away, faces towards the sun, it's daylight. And we're seeing by the daylight. When it rolls around the other side, it's dark, and they've got the darkness. And the darkness doesn't know anything about the light, the light doesn't know anything about the darkness.

So the two aspects are the one thing, which vibrates into the opposite. Same with the sun. The sun doesn't stop shining, it's always never shining, it's the same, it gets obscured by clouds. It's always and ever fresh. Just like that essence as you are, it never gets obscured by any of the thoughts, feelings, emotions that appear in it. They come and they go. While ever the naming goes on the label, it's always there. You've got to lose sight of it. Now then the reasoning capacity comes very useful. But because we're related to the other, it divides into opposites always. The opposites can come up, and it can be seemingly good and bad.

But I use the terminology like there's no one-ended stick, each stick's got two ends to it. So the good end might be the round, smooth end you can hang onto, and the bad end might be the round, smooth end you can hang onto. And the bad end might be the round, smooth end you can hang onto. And the bad end might be the natural thin end you can break or snap it out. But you see, there's still the one stick. So when the bad appears, we don't like the bad, we try to get rid of it. Not realising of itself, it's going to change, and the good end doesn't stay around, no matter how much you want to keep it there.

It's going to change in the opposite, just like in nature. It's constantly vibrating in the opposite. It's not going to be some or all, it's not going to be summer all the time, it's not going to be winter all the time, it's not going to be spring and autumn all the time, it's constantly transit, constantly changing. It's not going to be daylight all the time, or darkness. So what you're saying, are you saying that you still have negative emotions or thoughts at times? Yes. The thought is a vibration, and it can only vibrate dualistically. And look at how your mind functions. Isn't it good and bad?

So-called good is the positive, the bad is the negative. Is it happy or sad? The happiness is supposed to be the good, the sadness is the negative. Is it pleasant and painful? The pleasantness is the good, the painful is the negative. See your mind itself, it's always functioning dualistically, positive and negative, good and bad, happy, sad, loving, hating. It can't function any other way. Where's the centre? Where's the middle? It's neither negative or positive. Well, I can use an analogy, if you go to the South Pole, how much further south can you go? Can't go, next step would be north, isn't it? If you want to go to the North Pole, how much further north can you go?

Next step would be south. Now where do they meet? And you're told in nature in your real life, they must come back to where they're equal. And don't they call that the equator? So when it becomes that equilibrium in ourselves, when we're not functioning in that equilibrium, what good and bad can there be? And they seemingly come up, but they're not believed in anymore, or taken for granted anymore, and they will naturally move on by themselves. And they will naturally move on by themselves.